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Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

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pandasorous · 23/06/2024 07:24

just going to leave this here....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

if you have nothing compassionate to say, feel free to move on and not comment on this thread. feel sick to my stomach

Video showing Palestinian man strapped to front of jeep

Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

The Israeli military says the man was a suspect in a raid in the West Bank, but its forces violated protocol.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

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1dayatatime · 23/06/2024 13:59

@ConnieCounter

"If the army raided a house in England and strapped an injured man onto a vehicle rather than getting him appropriate medical attention there would be rightful universal outrage."

Hmm a very selective interpretation.

Indeed you would be correct if they "strapped him onto a vehicle rather than getting him appropriate medical attention " except they strapped him onto a vehicle and took him to get appropriate medical attention.

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 13:55

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 13:49

They’ve 0 credibility for me. The fact they’re not happy with something they’ve committed and many posters are justifying makes me feel IDF can do whatever that some posters will always justify it

Nobody is justifying anything - they are addressing a snapshot of an image, designed to provoke outrage.

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 13:54

Terrorism at its best once again from Israel

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 13:49

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 13:47

All of a sudden, the IDF have credibility? They are normally being held to scrutiny every 5 minutes. Make your mind up..

They’ve 0 credibility for me. The fact they’re not happy with something they’ve committed and many posters are justifying makes me feel IDF can do whatever that some posters will always justify it

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 13:47

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 13:13

I’m going to leave this one for anyone justifying it

from idf:
The conduct of the forces in the video of the incident does not conform to the values of the IDF. The incident will be investigated and dealt with accordingly

im not sure why are many of you justifying something that IDF is not happy with.

All of a sudden, the IDF have credibility? They are normally being held to scrutiny every 5 minutes. Make your mind up..

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 13:13

I’m going to leave this one for anyone justifying it

from idf:
The conduct of the forces in the video of the incident does not conform to the values of the IDF. The incident will be investigated and dealt with accordingly

im not sure why are many of you justifying something that IDF is not happy with.

Livelovebehappy · 23/06/2024 13:11

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:05

They could have just left and allowed the family to get medical assistance. I agree that that would have been better than abducting him and using him as a human shield.

Then again, if they had left him, there would be pictures posted on here of him laying aboundoned on the ground with a retreating idf vehicle. Can't win either way.

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:45

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:39

The cartoon is anti semitic but defending an injured Palestinian man being tied to a truck is not Islamaphobic. Got it.

But @ConnieCounter I was focusing on your cartoon.

In the fullness of time, we will learn what will be happening to soldiers found to be violating a code of conduct.

Violating a code of conduct is not necessarily Islamophobia as we do not have enough context or information yet. It is about intention.

Do you know for a fact that this Palestinian was a Muslim? Can you read the soldiers' minds?

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 12:43

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:39

The cartoon is anti semitic but defending an injured Palestinian man being tied to a truck is not Islamaphobic. Got it.

Oh dear.

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:39

The cartoon is anti semitic but defending an injured Palestinian man being tied to a truck is not Islamaphobic. Got it.

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:37

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:34

It's a cartoon. You accused me of thinking cartoons are precise historical evidence but you seem to be the one who's making that mistake, not me.

No I questioned your intentions in posting an inflammatory and frankly anti-Semitic (to me) cartoon.

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:34

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:32

IDF trucks do NOT have the Star of David on their trucks. The Star of David is a generally recognized symbol of both Jewish identity and Judaism.

Posting a cartoon depicting a truck with this does make concerned about your intentions.

It's a cartoon. You accused me of thinking cartoons are precise historical evidence but you seem to be the one who's making that mistake, not me.

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:34

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:02

Did you mean to report me and posted here instead?

My intentions were to show that the IDF have been doing this for at least 20 years. The emblems on the truck are presumably to denote that this is an IDF truck, as the star of David is on the flag of Israel. Happy to help.

@ConnieCounter I see your cartoon has ben deleted now and rightfully so. It felt inflammatory and Anti-Semitic to me.

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:32

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:02

Did you mean to report me and posted here instead?

My intentions were to show that the IDF have been doing this for at least 20 years. The emblems on the truck are presumably to denote that this is an IDF truck, as the star of David is on the flag of Israel. Happy to help.

IDF trucks do NOT have the Star of David on their trucks. The Star of David is a generally recognized symbol of both Jewish identity and Judaism.

Posting a cartoon depicting a truck with this does make concerned about your intentions.

Jewish identity - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_identity

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:28

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:16

No @ConnieCounter I fully intended to write about you in the third person here.

As far as reporting goes, anybody is free to report anything that breaks MN talk guidelines.

Sure.

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 12:28

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:21

So you think a cartoon is a piece of precise historical evidence?

Mindboggling.

My mind isn't boggled. It's beyond that. There are some people, who have jumped on the bandwagon, too ignorant to delve deep into the history books and instead have adopted all the soundbites. Those soundbites, include genocide, zionism, land stealers etc. The fact that Hamas deliberately use children to pull at the heartstrings and it works, on those gullible enough to believe that Israel are the oppressors, in the grand scheme of things. It is akin to reading high school essays when you look at some of the sheer naivety.

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:28

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:21

So you think a cartoon is a piece of precise historical evidence?

Mindboggling.

I think the cartoon was probably drawn to reflect what was happening at the time.

Are you disputing that the IDF have used Palestinians as human shields in the past?

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 12:25

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 11:08

Err couldn't have just called an ambulance?

There are actually 2 ambulances on the video which they ignored

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 12:23

cheshirecatsmile · 23/06/2024 09:58

I will tell my dad then that he did it all wrong when being bombed and shot at.

Why are they being bombed when this is West Bank and they’re not being bombed afaik?

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 12:21

Livelovebehappy · 23/06/2024 09:31

At least they were taking him for treatment. Had thst been reverse, the wounded Iseaeli would probably have been tortured, murdered and paraded through the streets of Gaza to applause.

There are two ambulances in the image. Why not let the professionals take over for treatment ? Why is idf investigating and saying this is not the way it should have been handled ?

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:21

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:02

Did you mean to report me and posted here instead?

My intentions were to show that the IDF have been doing this for at least 20 years. The emblems on the truck are presumably to denote that this is an IDF truck, as the star of David is on the flag of Israel. Happy to help.

So you think a cartoon is a piece of precise historical evidence?

Mindboggling.

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:19

Livelovebehappy · 23/06/2024 12:03

Err, maybe they wanted to get the hell out of there. Ridiculous to think the IDF are gonna hang around with the injured guy, like sitting ducks. Couldn't a palestinian have called for medical assistance?!

Yup - I actually think that whilst some of the actions may be found to violate a code of conduct, this guy had more of a chance with the IDF. They probably had to get out of there ASAP and maybe it was the quickest way?

Posted on the BBC which says it all really.

keenforhelp · 23/06/2024 12:16

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:02

Did you mean to report me and posted here instead?

My intentions were to show that the IDF have been doing this for at least 20 years. The emblems on the truck are presumably to denote that this is an IDF truck, as the star of David is on the flag of Israel. Happy to help.

No @ConnieCounter I fully intended to write about you in the third person here.

As far as reporting goes, anybody is free to report anything that breaks MN talk guidelines.

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 12:16

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ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 12:05

Livelovebehappy · 23/06/2024 12:03

Err, maybe they wanted to get the hell out of there. Ridiculous to think the IDF are gonna hang around with the injured guy, like sitting ducks. Couldn't a palestinian have called for medical assistance?!

They could have just left and allowed the family to get medical assistance. I agree that that would have been better than abducting him and using him as a human shield.

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