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Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

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pandasorous · 23/06/2024 07:24

just going to leave this here....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

if you have nothing compassionate to say, feel free to move on and not comment on this thread. feel sick to my stomach

Video showing Palestinian man strapped to front of jeep

Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

The Israeli military says the man was a suspect in a raid in the West Bank, but its forces violated protocol.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

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EasterIssland · 08/09/2024 17:24

Apologies ! I just realised this is not the thread I wanted to put it on but the rape one

ScrollingLeaves · 08/09/2024 17:09

EasterIssland · 08/09/2024 16:52

The person reporting it is an Israeli journalist. This rabbi in the past has said that Palestinians are animals

Thank you, it must be a good translation then.

It is shameful that a priest of a major religion would publicly say this while carrying out a religious act of blessing. The sodomy was not self defense. It was a crime.

EasterIssland · 08/09/2024 16:52

ScrollingLeaves · 08/09/2024 16:30

Why are they proud if this? No, any other country would not give a medal once this crime had been exposed. This is shameful.

If the rabbi had forgiven him, if the soldier had shown true remorse, that would be different.

Is the translation correct?

The person reporting it is an Israeli journalist. This rabbi in the past has said that Palestinians are animals

ScrollingLeaves · 08/09/2024 16:30

EasterIssland · 08/09/2024 15:34

Meir Mazuz, top Israeli rabbi favored by Netanyahu and his cabinet, blesses soldiers that gang-raped a Palestinian abducted from Gaza: "You beat the enemy, so what? It's all good… Don't we have the right to do it?… In any other country, they'd get medals… Don't fear the goyim"

https://x.com/davidsheen/status/1832362225052307581

Why are they proud if this? No, any other country would not give a medal once this crime had been exposed. This is shameful.

If the rabbi had forgiven him, if the soldier had shown true remorse, that would be different.

Is the translation correct?

BelleHathor · 08/09/2024 16:11

EasterIssland · 08/09/2024 15:34

Meir Mazuz, top Israeli rabbi favored by Netanyahu and his cabinet, blesses soldiers that gang-raped a Palestinian abducted from Gaza: "You beat the enemy, so what? It's all good… Don't we have the right to do it?… In any other country, they'd get medals… Don't fear the goyim"

https://x.com/davidsheen/status/1832362225052307581

Extremely deeply disturbing. I'm no longer shocked, every day it's something worst than the day before.

EasterIssland · 08/09/2024 15:34

Meir Mazuz, top Israeli rabbi favored by Netanyahu and his cabinet, blesses soldiers that gang-raped a Palestinian abducted from Gaza: "You beat the enemy, so what? It's all good… Don't we have the right to do it?… In any other country, they'd get medals… Don't fear the goyim"

https://x.com/davidsheen/status/1832362225052307581

x.com

https://x.com/davidsheen/status/1832362225052307581

SummerFeverVenice · 07/09/2024 21:58

LastTrainEast · 06/09/2024 13:32

Thanks for that clarification I realised that a jeep was not a helicopter.

He needed an ambulance, but what they had right there was a jeep so they got him strapped on and took him to the Red Crescent hospital.

If they were what people seem to think they are why didn't they dump him in a ditch?

Amazing they spent half an hour driving him back and forth. Going past no fewer than three ambulances, refusing to hand him off and it is all captured on video and yet you still believe the malarkey.

Scirocco · 06/09/2024 13:48

LastTrainEast · 06/09/2024 13:36

If you travelled you'd probably find that most of the world is quite unlike the England you're experienced.

Actually that's quite an amusing comment to read. Thanks.

I don't live in England. I've not lived in England for over 20 years. I've done quite a bit of travelling through work. I've previously spoken on these threads about my experiences of Palestine. Those weren't exactly gained through video calling.

It's not ok to further harm and traumatise injured people by strapping them directly to vehicle bonnets and then driving those vehicles at speed.

If, as you suggested back in June, there are people in the UK who find themselves strapped to a vehicle in the way this man and others were, then they should raise it with PALS, the GMC and the police, as that's honestly not how it should be done at all. Remote evac is not "tie them on and let's go".

LastTrainEast · 06/09/2024 13:36

Scirocco · 24/06/2024 22:39

Not like that you don't. Or if you do, you should report it to PALS, the GMC and the police.

If you travelled you'd probably find that most of the world is quite unlike the England you're experienced.

ConnieCounter · 06/09/2024 13:36

LastTrainEast · 06/09/2024 13:32

Thanks for that clarification I realised that a jeep was not a helicopter.

He needed an ambulance, but what they had right there was a jeep so they got him strapped on and took him to the Red Crescent hospital.

If they were what people seem to think they are why didn't they dump him in a ditch?

You're quoting my post from June. If you want to continue to delude yourself two months on about this that's fine but I'm not interested in going around in circles with you.

LastTrainEast · 06/09/2024 13:32

ConnieCounter · 24/06/2024 22:19

No, those two situations are not comparable in any way.

Thanks for that clarification I realised that a jeep was not a helicopter.

He needed an ambulance, but what they had right there was a jeep so they got him strapped on and took him to the Red Crescent hospital.

If they were what people seem to think they are why didn't they dump him in a ditch?

US2gether · 02/07/2024 20:33

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/07/2024 16:54

I agree there are a few posters that are hurrying so much they fail to take in the full context of some posts then are blinded by misplaced outrage. I suspect one of two of deliberately taking umbrage when there is nothing untoward in a post. This true of posters of all viewpoints; it’s not one side.

These threads have been difficult at times because it is a very sensitive topic and emotions run deep. There is a fear that no matter how carefully you word something your post may be misunderstood, and then misrepresented.

I think some posters have also disengaged for their mental well being, we are in the 9th month of a bloody catastrophic war and the human brain can only take witnessing and reading about so much suffering all around before needing to disengage for its own sanity.

Very true.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/07/2024 16:58

US2gether · 02/07/2024 05:34

It was IN RESPONSE to the many comments about people being silent and not commenting, also the various tumbleweed statements. Naturally 'all those' comments aren't considered derailing 🙄 they're OK of course 🙄

While your earlier post was insightful, the comment on this thread being an echo chamber was not. This thread has not been an echo chamber, I can only assume you have not read the entirety.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/07/2024 16:57

Scirocco · 01/07/2024 21:36

It really is a shame that people (not just here, but in general) were so quick to say "he must have been a terrorist", "he deserved it" and to come up with all sorts of unlikely scenarios to try to defend the IDF (like seriously suggesting this was an appropriate way to transport an injured person to hospital)... But when it comes out that he was most likely an innocent man, and that others have reported similar treatment, none of those people have found the basic compassion for a fellow human being to express "oh, we got that wrong... yeah, that's not a good thing to happen to someone".

It goes back to the double standards experienced by Palestinians: if you see someone as less of a person than you, their suffering matters less and even when declared innocent, they're still guilty of belonging to that group, so it still doesn't matter as much what people say or do to or about them.

People don’t like to publicly admit to being mistaken. They’d rather be silent than say anything. It is a shame. I think it takes strength to admit to a mistake and face any unconscious bias that might have led you to make such a mistake.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/07/2024 16:54

US2gether · 01/07/2024 17:07

I think that people don't engage so much anymore on these threads because they are echo chambers and are always having a go at people. What's the point.

Although can say that some actions are not condoned, no one listens and incorrect assumptions are often made.

People stop bothering so threads are mainly the same people repeating the same things. Nothing on here changes anything.

I believe that the vast majority of people condemn Hamas, don't agree with some of the actions of the IDF, understand Israel's right to defend itself, are horrified at the deaths of innocents, want peace, want terrorists to be held to account, want actions to be investigated when they need to be and accountability. Want the hostages to be released and maybe a 2 state solution.

I think people stop saying this now due to inability of people determined to misunderstand or twist. People visit some threads and avoid others.

Just an opinion, worth no more or no less than anyone else's.

I agree there are a few posters that are hurrying so much they fail to take in the full context of some posts then are blinded by misplaced outrage. I suspect one of two of deliberately taking umbrage when there is nothing untoward in a post. This true of posters of all viewpoints; it’s not one side.

These threads have been difficult at times because it is a very sensitive topic and emotions run deep. There is a fear that no matter how carefully you word something your post may be misunderstood, and then misrepresented.

I think some posters have also disengaged for their mental well being, we are in the 9th month of a bloody catastrophic war and the human brain can only take witnessing and reading about so much suffering all around before needing to disengage for its own sanity.

ConnieCounter · 02/07/2024 11:19

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Scirocco · 02/07/2024 07:05

US2gether · 01/07/2024 22:53

Only in a parallel universe.

People don't say and act like you suggest

Those are things people have said, though. It's not nice to think that people have said these sorts of things, but it's reality. And the dehumanising of people who are 'other' is a recognised thing around the world, and it is widely recognised that it is done to Palestinians.

US2gether · 02/07/2024 05:34

EasterIssland · 01/07/2024 23:45

It’s the 3rd comment of you saying the same thing in the evening. That we are an echo chamber and that there is no point staying here. We get it. You don’t agree with us.
now please stop derailing the thread.

It was IN RESPONSE to the many comments about people being silent and not commenting, also the various tumbleweed statements. Naturally 'all those' comments aren't considered derailing 🙄 they're OK of course 🙄

EasterIssland · 01/07/2024 23:48

ScrollingLeaves · 01/07/2024 23:40

Al Jazeera reports that the IDF is using Palestinians with their hands tied and a camera on them to go into tunnel shafts and buildings. This is a short Al Jazeera clip showing footage of this.

Haaretz ( Israeli newspaper) has mentioned this Al Jazeera report, suggesting that they are not dismissing it out if hand but think it is possible:

Al-Jazeera aired footage on Sunday claiming to show Israeli soldiers using Palestinians arrested in Gaza as human shields. The videos showed soldiers strapping cameras to detainees whose hands are tied and dressing them with uniform and vests before sending them into damaged houses and tunnel shafts.

Not long time ago it was reported that they had sent one of the illegally detained men to one hospital to tell people to run away because idf was going to strike the hospital. For him to get killed when he got out

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-after-sending-him-warn-people-evacuate-nasser

Israeli forces kill Palestinian after telling him to warn others to evacuate hospital

A journalist who witnessed the scene at Al-Nasser hospital said the man warned others to leave before he was shot by a sniper

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-after-sending-him-warn-people-evacuate-nasser

EasterIssland · 01/07/2024 23:45

US2gether · 01/07/2024 22:56

Pointless engaging with this thread. Just like other threads. No point really. I'll stick to threads where people don't do this. I fully understand why people don't bother anymore.
🙄

It’s the 3rd comment of you saying the same thing in the evening. That we are an echo chamber and that there is no point staying here. We get it. You don’t agree with us.
now please stop derailing the thread.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/07/2024 23:40

Al Jazeera reports that the IDF is using Palestinians with their hands tied and a camera on them to go into tunnel shafts and buildings. This is a short Al Jazeera clip showing footage of this.

Haaretz ( Israeli newspaper) has mentioned this Al Jazeera report, suggesting that they are not dismissing it out if hand but think it is possible:

Al-Jazeera aired footage on Sunday claiming to show Israeli soldiers using Palestinians arrested in Gaza as human shields. The videos showed soldiers strapping cameras to detainees whose hands are tied and dressing them with uniform and vests before sending them into damaged houses and tunnel shafts.

Al Jazeera Exposes Israeli Army Use Of Palestinians As Human Shields

Al Jazeera has obtained exclusive footage showing the Israeli army using Palestinian prisoners as human shields in Gaza. Videos showed the prisoners being fo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CfmBlu-qo4

ScrollingLeaves · 01/07/2024 23:23

US2gether · 01/07/2024 22:53

Only in a parallel universe.

People don't say and act like you suggest

US2gether
What are you referring to, please ? What only happens in a parallel universe?

US2gether · 01/07/2024 22:56

Pointless engaging with this thread. Just like other threads. No point really. I'll stick to threads where people don't do this. I fully understand why people don't bother anymore.
🙄

US2gether · 01/07/2024 22:53

Scirocco · 01/07/2024 21:36

It really is a shame that people (not just here, but in general) were so quick to say "he must have been a terrorist", "he deserved it" and to come up with all sorts of unlikely scenarios to try to defend the IDF (like seriously suggesting this was an appropriate way to transport an injured person to hospital)... But when it comes out that he was most likely an innocent man, and that others have reported similar treatment, none of those people have found the basic compassion for a fellow human being to express "oh, we got that wrong... yeah, that's not a good thing to happen to someone".

It goes back to the double standards experienced by Palestinians: if you see someone as less of a person than you, their suffering matters less and even when declared innocent, they're still guilty of belonging to that group, so it still doesn't matter as much what people say or do to or about them.

Only in a parallel universe.

People don't say and act like you suggest

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