War Hezbollah and Israel

Betzalel Smotrich has said this morning "Crush Hezbollah.. the only options are surrender or war"
Is that what posters on here also think?

If an attack on Lebanon, such as we have seen in Gaza, meant that 40000 plus Israelis were killed, universities, schools, hospitals razed to the ground, agricultural crops destroyed and say 50% of housing stock destroyed , would the likes of Smotrich still be calling for an invasion of Lebanon?

I think he and others feel with Israel's superior firepower and defensives they don't need to negotiate and they can kill as many people as they like in Lebanon with little or no consequence to their own people or country. They can carry out atrocities like they are actioning in the West Bank and Gaza with impunity.
Is that an unfair conclusion?

Incredibly I heard someone on the JV show actually say to Frank Gardner that one big bomb should be dropped on Gaza because modern warfare is too slow.

Sinwar is a bad Palestinian
many in the Israeli government are bad Israelis

we agree there is innocent good civilians in both sides. But if an Israeli does something wrong we should be able to say they’re a bad guy

Nobody is crying.
Hezbollah made the decision to open a support front after October 7th, knowing full well what the costs would be.

Israel and Lebanon have had border skirmishes for over 40 years.

There is (or was) an understanding on threat escalation:
A civilian for a civilian, a building for a building, a soldier for a soldier etc.
Since October Israel has fired 4 times the rockets and killed far more Lebanese.

The additional 1000+ dead Lebanese in the past week means that that escalation ladder has been broken.

Betzalel Smotrich has said this morning "Crush Hezbollah.. the only options are surrender or war"
Is that what posters on here also think?

If an attack on Lebanon, such as we have seen in Gaza, meant that 40000 plus Israelis were killed, universities, schools, hospitals razed to the ground, agricultural crops destroyed and say 50% of housing stock destroyed , would the likes of Smotrich still be calling for an invasion of Lebanon?

I think he and others feel with Israel's superior firepower and defensives they don't need to negotiate and they can kill as many people as they like in Lebanon with little or no consequence to their own people or country. They can carry out atrocities like they are actioning in the West Bank and Gaza with impunity.
Is that an unfair conclusion?

Incredibly I heard someone on the JV show actually say to Frank Gardner that one big bomb should be dropped on Gaza because modern warfare is too slow.

From bbc

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office says Israel is fighting with "full force" and has not responded to a call for ceasefire.
Now, Israel Katz, the country's foreign minister, says "there will be no ceasefire in the north".
Israel "will continue to fight against the terrorist organisation Hezbollah with all our might until victory and the safe return of the residents of the north to their homes," Katz adds on a statement on X.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told Israel's military to keep fighting with "full force" and has not responded to last night's ceasefire call, his office says.
In response to the ceasefire proposal put forward by 12 international allies, Netanyahu's office says:
"The news about a ceasefire - not true. This is an American-French proposal, to which the prime minister did not even respond. The news about the supposed directive to moderate the fighting in the north is also the opposite of the truth.
"The prime minister instructed the IDF to continue the fighting with full force, and according to the plans presented to him. Also, the fighting in Gaza will continue until all the goals of the war are achieved."

Nobody is crying.
Hezbollah made the decision to open a support front after October 7th, knowing full well what the costs would be.

Israel and Lebanon have had border skirmishes for over 40 years.

There is (or was) an understanding on threat escalation:
A civilian for a civilian, a building for a building, a soldier for a soldier etc.
Since October Israel has fired 4 times the rockets and killed far more Lebanese.

The additional 1000+ dead Lebanese in the past week means that that escalation ladder has been broken.

Bizarre.

Since hezbollah lobbed it's missiles after Oct 7th in support of Hamas therefore hezbollah are aggressors.

Its a bit silly to keep firing rockets at your neighbour then cry when then fire back. 🙄

You're right I misread.
So @EasterIssland pls do give me the middle eastern example of a thriving democracy you're thinking of? Or will Gaza be a first in the Arab world?

Apart from the unprovoked daily barrage of missiles fired at civilians in northen Israel for almost a year. It would have been even better to have had de-escalation in the northern border on October 8 after the first Hezbollah attacks.

OMG!! Israel gave medical assistance to people!! The horror!

You know, israel also gave medical assistance to Hamas terrorists.

Funny how they always call for the side attacked to "de-escalate" after the IDF attacks.

Why the need to label good guys and bad guys? It's so childish this need to paint a complex situation as black and white.
Israelis are not "the bad guys" and neither are Palestinians. Neitehr are they the good guys either. They are people. The tragedy is that it's not bad versus good but just causes vs just causes. Or rather injustice vs injustice (to paraphrase Amos Oz)

Betzalel Smotrich has said this morning "Crush Hezbollah.. the only options are surrender or war"
Is that what posters on here also think?

If an attack on Lebanon, such as we have seen in Gaza, meant that 40000 plus Israelis were killed, universities, schools, hospitals razed to the ground, agricultural crops destroyed and say 50% of housing stock destroyed , would the likes of Smotrich still be calling for an invasion of Lebanon?

I think he and others feel with Israel's superior firepower and defensives they don't need to negotiate and they can kill as many people as they like in Lebanon with little or no consequence to their own people or country. They can carry out atrocities like they are actioning in the West Bank and Gaza with impunity.
Is that an unfair conclusion?

Incredibly I heard someone on the JV show actually say to Frank Gardner that one big bomb should be dropped on Gaza because modern warfare is too slow.

I always find it funny how the classic divide and rule tactics popularised by the British Empire are still popular today.

The obsession by mostly non Muslim governments, think tanks and their supporters with sowing discord between Sunni and Shia Muslims is amazing to watch.

I wonder where the IDF falls on this spectrum seeing as it treated Al Nusra (Salafist Jihadi) terrorists during the Syrian War?

https://network.aljazeera.net/en/pressroom/former-mossad-director-efraim-halevy-defends-israeli-medical-assistance-al-nusra-front

Let's not make Hamas and Hezbollah the good guys here please.....

Hamas was actually financed and supported by Israel when it served Israel’s purpose to put a wedge between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza. Hezbollah was formed after the 1982 invasion of Lebanon by Israel, when it wanted to destroy the PLO as a political force and reclaim the West Bank. Israel are not the good guys in this either, and their past and continuing actions have inevitable consequences.Ultimately Israel wants the territories of Gaza and the West Bank ‘back’ (not the people, who are an inconvenience).

Hahahahaha, their "duty" to support Palestine. How he can say that with a straight face given how many Palestinians and other sunni Muslims Hezbollah has killed in Syria is beyond me.