War Hezbollah and Israel

1. I am aware of the history of Hezbollah before 1982.
2. I was just pointing out the role of Israel in that massacre, i e blocking every single exit of the refugee camp, making sure that many, many died. The reason why this massacre happened is not relevant. It was allowed to happen by Ariel Sharon's who escaped justice. Let's not distract from that.

1. I had a Lebanese friend who studied to become a doctor in Paris. We spent many nights talking about the civil war and the different factions involved. She couldn't wait to go back home to help her country men and women. She did as soon as she graduated.

Haaretz is behind a paywall, ABC in Australia also released an article on the use of the Hannibal Directive.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430

They also used the Hannibal Directive on 07/10.
IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive - Israel News - Haaretz.com

It's crazy how much power one individual can hold, especially considering he's not even the PM.

Nobody said that there was a written agreement, again you've made something up and formulated an answer to a question that wasn't asked.

There are often rules of engagement on any battlefield and your knowledge of this particular field seems extremely limited.

I think I will chose to believe the many diplomats (including Alastair Crooke former Mi6 spy, who has negotiated on behalf of Israel for the release of hostages held by Hamas and Hezbollah and has back channels to both groups) and military personnel (American, Israeli and from the region).
Ask yourself why after only 1 day of Hezbollah firing 400 rockets and drones, diplomats from the UN and various European countries are begging Hezbollah to stop?

From an Israeli Newspaper today:
“Hezbollah has yet to employ 10% of its capabilities,” military affairs correspondent Yossi Yehoshua wrote in Yediot Ahronot, Israel's largest daily newspaper. “The euphoria that is evident among the decision-makers and some of the public should be placed back in the attic: the situation is still complex and flammable.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/israel-ap-hezbollah-hamas-lebanon-b2619614.html

Same old story. Why will they agree to a ceasefire when they think they can do whatever they want and still get funded by the US.

There isn’t a blind eye turned towards them! It’s just that these forums aren’t inundated with people supporting them, which would be illegal. These forums are inundated with people who ignore and rationalise the crimes of, and suffering caused by, the state of Israel! How many times does this need to be explained.

IDK @Parkingt111 but Ben Gvir threatened to withdraw from the coalition and collapse the government [again] and thereafter 'everyone' in the Israeli government seemed to back-track

Negotiations are still ongoing but really not looking positive

It's like deja-vu

The tone of the call was striking. They framed the ceasefire proposal, announced in a joint statement by G7 countries with three key Arab partners, as almost a done deal.
We were told the Lebanese government had said it would get assurances from Hezbollah and Israel's leadership gave support to the ceasefire plan.
But within hours, Israeli PM Netanyahu had distanced himself from the proposal, saying the IDF would continue striking Hezbollah with full force.

Actually, it says (sky) that both sides seemed to agree to commit to a ceasefire last night.

It looks like the hopes for a ceasefire for now has been dashed. It seemed yesterday that Netanyahu had indicated he would agree to a truce, so what changed? (According to sky news) it doesn't mention whether Hizbbullah gave any indication on whether they would have agreed or not.

Your understanding of the history here is very partial.

To answer two posts:

1. Hizbollah did arise in response to the 1982 invasion, but its roots are in earlier Shia militias and the Lebanese civil war. The Sunni/Shia conflict in Lebanon exists well independent of Israel and has its roots in the National Pact of 1943.

2. The massacre at Sabra and Shatila is often remembered in the West for Israel's role (which, let me make it clear, was a war crime). But we forget the other half of the story, which is that the Phalangist Christians wanted revenge for the assassination of Bachir Gemayel. That was undertaken on the instructions of Syrian President Hafez al-Assad.

There is an entire context to the Lebanese Civil War and its factions that has nothing to do with Israel. Those divisions persist today. Israel just made it worse. And it's worth noting that many Lebanese blame the Palestinians for it, and for the demographic changes in Lebanon that have nothing to do with Palestinians (demographics are part of the reason Palestinian refugees in Lebanon are denied rights and citizenship).

Lebanon has become a proxy for regional conflict well beyond Israel/Palestine: Hizbollah is, of course, supported by Iran and even after the official accords ending the civll war in 1990, Syria occupied Lebanon until 2005.

Israel are expected to evacuated, sit back and suck it up. Strange

Exactly. No state on earth would tolerate having to evacuate 60,000 citizens because of constant attacks and not fight back.

Sadly it was

Absolutely no one is turning a blind eye.

Their acts are heinous, as are actions by Israel.

No party is innocent here.

No one said Israelis are the good guys but there does seem to be a blind eye turned towards Hizbollah and Hamas in these discussions. I think you have to hit Hizbollah hard to prevent missiles reigning down on Tel Aviv; this makes Israel neither the good or bad guy. It does make Israel a state defending itself against an attack.

It may Hizbollah will stop firing it rockets but I have a feeling they won't .

@WonkyWay2

I agree, the position and statements from both "sides" are horrifying.

No need to explain.

Huh? My post was in response to @Silence1 wondering how long this had been planned by Israel

Very much doubt that there would be anything in 'Hezbollah's communication and propaganda' pertaining to that

Ah yes, @AhNowTed , that was kind of my point. The Israeli quotes are easy to access. Next time I’ll explain better.

@WonkyWay2

We don't need to imagine what heinous quotes come from Israeli ministers, they are published without shame for all to see.

Imagine, if you will, what quotes we’d find if we went through Hezbollah communications and propaganda.

@Silence1 quote from Herzi Halevi this pm wrt planning for this 'escalation'

We need to continue attacking Hezbollah, we have been waiting for this opportunity for years

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It is childish. But you seemed determined to do it and complained that you weren't allowed to do it to Israelis when no one ever said that.