War Hezbollah and Israel

@TokyoSushi

Don't trust Iran if they say they have your back then.....

I think both Hamas and Hizbollah may have been expecting more. It does look like Hizbollah may be shown up as a damp squib and I wonder generally if recruitment is going to fall. I don't think any military organisation can sustain such a humiliating and powerful strike without cost.

Channel 4 interview with Sir William Patey
KCMG. He is a British retired diplomat. He was British Ambassador to Afghanistan from 2010 to 2012, and previously served as Ambassador to Sudan, to Iraq and to Saudi Arabia

UK must take ‘side of peace’ between Israel and Lebanon, says former ambassador
We’re joined by Sir William Patey, the former British Ambassador to several countries, including Saudi Arabia and Iraq, who is at Labour Conference with the Labour Middle East Council.
12 minutes in to the video:
https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-must-take-side-of-peace-between-israel-and-lebanon-says-former-ambassador

He says Britain needs to emphasise the need for a ceasefire. That there is a difficult balance needed between the need for this and the need for Israel’s security and proper treatment of Palestinians.

He says that there needs to be peace and de-escalation and mentions that it is clear that Israel has been escalating over the last weeks.

SharonEllis. Looking beyond the style of WonkyWay2's writing, I think that their point would be made, were you to be shown aerial photographs of Tel Aviv, and Gaza city. I doubt that you would have much difficulty in determining which is which.

What a nasty and completely inaccurate thing to say. Israeli citizens mourn their fellow citizens murdered and taken hostage. Many protest their government, crticising them for not doing enough to bring them back. Many work for peace, as many of those murdered and kidnapped on 7 October also did. You also seem to have forgotten the 100 000 odd Israelis displaced by attacks from Hamas and Hezbollah.

Today's death toll in Lebanon from Israeli attacks is reported to be almost 500 now.

@WonkyWay2 BTW if the IDF had not been such a sexist organization and actually listened to their female spotters they could have prevented a lot of what happened on the 7th October .
It's nearly a year and where is Israel now?

Israel are not going to hand the win to Hamas unless there is a ceasefire agreement which de-arms Hamas so that they don’t do another incursion against civilians and clearly Hamas does not want a ceasefire as they want to continue eradicating all of Israel, stay in power and create a bigger war.
Hamas have stated that aim/wish previously and repeatedly.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck it's a duck.
Are Palestinian citizens going to wake up to this or just keep going down this path?

It's on Times of Israel, there are videos of the secondary explosions and in one video, a rocket shoots out of one residential house and into the neighbours.

Let's hope so.

They seem very quiet @mids2019

There does seem to be a slight query about whether Hezbollah will really fight back, their infrastructure seems to have been very damaged by the pagers and subsequent attacks and the Israeli narrative seems to be an equivalent of 'right, that's it, you're getting it full force' which seems to have caught Hezbollah more off guard than you'd think.

Also, there are suggestions that Iran have spotted a different opportunity, to not go in full force behind Hezbollah, but instead paint themselves as some sort of negotiator/broker in return for easing of all sorts of sanctions from The West.

Seems it could go either way. I'm not sure Israel are going to embrace an Iranian peace broker though...

Doesn't answer my question but okay.

Has the Lebanese president spoken about these attacks. I am curious with Lebanon being one the most religously divided in the middle east how this will play out in terms of its society

Will the Christian minority (30% - 40%) and moderate Muslims be appalled at the result of Islamist terrorism and seek to try and use this as an opportunity to remove this cancerous group or are the scales not in their favour?

Just gone up to 492, seems to be hurtling towards disaster now.

Hamas are not going to hand the hostages back unless there is a ceasefire agreement and clearly the Israeli Govt does not want a ceasefire as they want to continue eradicating all Palestinians, stay in power and create a bigger war .
Israeli Ministers have stated that aim/wish previously.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck it's a duck.
Are Israeli citizens going to wake up to this or just keep going down this path?

Because Hamas haven’t handed the hostages back? Because they don’t want peace? Because if Israel leave it, Hamas will react by regrouping and performing more atrocities?

Is it the assumption Israel has weakened Hamas to the point they aren't able to retaliate?

It seems like a lot of their arsenal had been potentially destroyed or they would be used. .

FFS Benny Hill jokes

And there is no way I will believe the Israeli (terrorist supporting Govt) excuse for killing Lebanese civilians " I see they are also using the human shield tactics hiding weaponry in civilian housing.". GTF.

For sure. Vocal support for breaking international law shouldn't be tolerated no matter who is doing it.

Do you think it should be?

So are Hizbollah completely emasculated as a pseudo army? It seems for their much vaulted missile numbers they can't get many up (no pun intended).

Seriously though have the Israelis dealt a decisive blow to Hizbollah as they must appear dreadfully weak to their terrorist supporting followers? The army of god is now appearing a bit army of pygmy like.

I see they are also using the human shield tactics hiding weaponry in civilian housing.

The woman at 31.51 saying the conflict has been going on for a long time and war has not solved the problem. Such simple words and an eternity of truth.

What, in your view, would supporting Israel in a way that would be criminal look like? And are there any other states you think it should be illegal to support?