This is the reality of Hamas

@ScrollingLeaves No, Hamas and the Israeli state are not remotely comparable. For a start Israel doesn't use its children and civilians as human shields and nor are Palestinian children and civilians, ever, a military target. That's quite a big difference.

Israeli children are taught to hate and fear Palestinians at least in some schools.

Palestinians children have experienced things at the hands of Israelis over many years causing them to hate and fear Israelis.

This is about Hamas, including Israelis setting the dog on the man with Doens Syndrome. Hamas exists as the other side of the same coin.

It is sadly an endless circle.

The children in that video of 15 years ago are now adults in their 20s. Hamas trained them well for 7th October alright.

These are the people that most of the world inexplicably want to take over the only democracy in the middle east.

What, like the offer to become Israeli citizens, with all the rights it carries?

Exactly.

Also if Israel was no more then Palestine would be yet another Arab failed state and hotbed of terrorism. They won't ever stop.

Palestine and Hamas hate Israel more than they care about their children

15 years teaching hatred to kill and here we are months after the biggest killing spree of hatred involving rape, buggery, torture, kidnap and murder on Oct 7th. Celebrations in the street followed and then the horror of War. To what end. Its all awful and pointless.

The hatred might end when Hamas and their followers care more about their children than they hate Israelis. Currently being a martyr seems more important

Kids TV is Gaza teaches them to hate Jews and become a martyr.

See for yourself. There is no reversing this hatred. There is no peace to be had. They are literally teaching children to be suicide bombers.

EDIT and that YouTube post is FIFTEEN years old. They've been indoctrination kids for decades and it will not stop.

That's absolutely dreadful but why have you posted in the Hamas thread. There are many, many more threads about the idf.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9drj14e0lo

They have many apologists.

Sick. They shout God is Great whilst they sodomise, rape and murder. What God wants them, if Satan exists then they follow him. Sick depraved and yet celebrated in the streets afterwards. Sick and sad and it's led to war.

There are no words. I don’t care how successfully those murderers and rapists and their cheerleaders have marketed themselves as ‘freedom fighters’, they are evil.

Read an account of that last night. Absolutely brutal.

Also chilling
https://x.com/HeidiBachram/status/1815810278308847827

Content warning for rape, genital mutilation, sexual assault of corpses:

www.thejc.com/news/israel/nova-festival-survivor-reveals-for-the-first-time-how-he-was-raped-by-hamas-terrorists-on-october-7-d03oqt9j

France was occupied during WW2 as everybody knows. Most of the French population didn't condemn the occupier or the Vichy government because to do so would have been a death warrant for you and your family. I include my relatives in this group. Their silence didn't mean they supported what was happening.
If a poll had been conducted, at the time, for their support for the German occupation by the occupiers, I am pretty sure that most would have been openly supported it.
To be in defiance of a brutal regime demands a level of bravery that most don't have. My great aunt did and was tortured by the Gestapo and deported.
It goes without saying some did support the regime and profiteered from it.
I think it's the same with Hamas.

It is easy for us to judge the Palestinians in Gaza whilst we live in a safe place.

I don't support the idea of a one state solution. I don't think it would be viable or benefit either Israelis or Palestinians. I do take issue though with some of the claims you made in your post.

Their goal is to distract their readers from the illiberal, undemocratic aspects of Palestinian society
I don't think anyone is in doubt of how undemocratic Hamas are and the current political governance in Gaza.

To keep the focus relentlessly on the real or imagined sins of Israel.
It is Israel and their actions in Gaza that are keeping the focus on the current sins of the Israeli government which unfortunately are very real.

They use propaganda as a tool of war to strip Israel of legitimacy and international support
There is no need for propaganda the Israeli governments relentless campaign in Gaza is fully responsible for stripping Israel of legitimacy and international support. Your suggestion that people are well meaning and uninformed is insulting and minimising what we can see happening in Gaza. Trying to suggest we are being misled is an Israeli tool of propaganda

There will be no peace in the region all the while organisations such as Hamas exist.

An increasingly fashionable position among self-styled "progressives" is to advocate the "one-state solution" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This "solution" envisions a single "secular, liberal, democratic state" encompassing the entire former mandate of Palestine, with a "right of return" for millions Palestinian "refugees." There is, however, a serious blind-spot in the argumentation of the one-state proponents regarding their treatment of Palestinian political culture, both past and present. The one-state proponents systematically whitewash Palestinian political culture by denying, ignoring, or obscuring its Islamic, Islamist, and antisemitic aspects. Their goal is to distract their readers from the illiberal, undemocratic aspects of Palestinian society to keep the focus relentlessly on the real or imagined sins of Israel. They use propaganda as a tool of war to strip Israel of legitimacy and international support and to blind the well-meaning but uninformed readers to the very real risks that Jews would face as a minority living under an Arab and Muslim majority in a re-unified Palestine.

Indeed.

If only the ideology was one of doing their best for their people and using that money to prosper. It could be a better country, there is a better way.

Sadly hatred brings to this stage in time. Perhaps the mentality of being a martyr for Allah doesn't help.

I don’t think it would be easy to overcome the generations of ideological hatred for Israel, Hamas or no Hamas, even before this current conflict. It would probably take at least a generation or more to overturn that if it was even possible with strong, moderate leaders who denounce the ideology and only wish for peace and prosperity for the Palestinian people, not to use them as pawns in a religious battle against Jews.

The ideology is not just for hope and opportunities, which arguably could have been achieved long before now with over $40 billion in aid having been given between 1994 and 2020 with $4.5 billion given to the tiny 25 mile strip of Gaza from 2014-2020, but for a Jewish state not to exist in the Middle East and that predates Hamas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

Hamas are not/have not been the only Palestinian terrorist entity btw. It’s quite eye-opening how many there are/have been if you look at the Groups section!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence

I hope you're not wrong too.

I think most Palestinian civilians have been terrorised for so long that they haven’t the luxury of “choosing” to support Hamas. If they were given hope and opportunities I think most would want to be rid of Hamas.
I hope I’m not wrong.

It's possible. I mean on 9/11 they cheered. 7/10 they celebrated and hit and spat at hostages. Some joined in with the 7/10 attack. It's easy to assume that everyday people don't support hamas because it's disgusting if they do.

Still they hold onto hostages and many on release say they live in everyday homes.

"I don’t understand why Palestinian supporters in this country rarely denounce Hamas."

Usually because they've taken up a binary viewpoint, e.g., they view the IDF a immoral and cannot then denounce Hamas due to their binary thinking.

This is highly common behaviour not just amongst those who are terrorist supporters and fellow travellers, but also amongst the sneaking regarders. Speed & willingness to deflect from a terrorist organisation in order to focus on a Sovereign Government is a sign of a sneaking regarder, for example.

Another would be they don't really know very much about what Hamas does, how they think, how they operate, how they manipulate people and so on. Its not simple or straightforward, so they far prefer the more simplistic narrative regarding the IDF that's pushed routinely.

As we've seen recently from the United States, Iran has been using paid activists in the US to foment what we've been seeing there. The same kind of thing has been going on in various European States too.

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/press-releases-2024/3842-statement-from-director-of-national-intelligence-avril-haines-on-recent-iranian-influence-efforts

So, there will be multiple reasons why Westerners aren't denouncing Hamas at these protests. Little of it good.

this is the latest poll I believe

“The poll, conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) between May 26 and June 1, found that overall support for Hamas in the Palestinian territories stood at 40%, a six-point increase from the previous survey three months ago.
Before the war, overall support for Hamas stood at 22% and support for Fatah stood at 26%.
Armed struggle is considered by a little over half of Palestinians (54%) to be the preferred option to end Israeli rule and establish a Palestinian state, while only a quarter chose negotiations, and 16% opted for “nonviolent resistance.””

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-support-for-hamas-on-the-rise-among-palestinians-now-double-fatahs/amp/