"If its true that more than 100 women and children died", then "Israel violated International Law" during hostage rescue, says former executive director of Human Rights Watch

Some people can’t resist arguing the numbers. How uncomfortable it would be for these people to imagine the pain of seeing your parents or your child killed, in broad daylight, because you happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and for Israel to write you off as collateral damage. God have mercy on those who cannot entertain the suffering of others while being so consumed by their own fear.

The humanity coming from your post! 50% of Gazan’s are children. It’s fairly logical that a lot have been killed, starved and maimed.

The first casualty in war is the truth - that’s the old saying. I think both Hamas and the Israeli authorities are lying. I don’t believe for a minute that only “armed civilians” and Hamas were killed. In fact I have a real issue about the word civilian being used to describe people who are clearly Hamas - like the people keeping the hostages. Israel are saying this to justify civilian death.

I would be fairly sceptical of Hamas women and children figures. They have their own agenda.

Only independent investigation will discover the truth,

Well there is a really high percentage of children in Gaza apologies for the inconvenience

I was there

Seems like everyone in Gaza is either a woman or a child, and accurate figures are available at all times - apart from how many hostages are still alive. No idea apparently.

Also israel are clear that only Hamas and armed civilians were killed so it’s not an issue anyway.
Oh if Israel are clear that's fine then no issue at all thanks for clearing that up

it’s funny that we never heard any of this in the war the uk and us (together with others) fought against Isis?
There was loads in the media about that war, warts and all and that was pre social media and X, maybe you weren't old enough to remember?

We killed far more civilians
You didn't

Educate yourself and many many people couldn't make the march.
And I also think Israel are talking bollocks saying only Hamas and armed civilians were killed in the hostage rescue.
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Sadly there has always been antisemitism in both the left and right. It’s not particularly ironic. We have seen it from everyone from Eastern European and soviet communists to Jeremy corbyns Labour Party. Many of the current antisemitic attacks (maybe most) are coming from the left but equally there remain right wing antisemitism too.

sadly this sort of hate and conspiracy theories about Jews and Israel, not to mention double standards, just don’t seem to go away.

It is incorrect information and human rights watch have well known anti Israel bias. Also israel are clear that only Hamas and armed civilians were killed so it’s not an issue anyway.

it’s funny that we never heard any of this in the war the uk and us (together with others) fought against Isis? We killed far more civilians and used special forces.

@LastTrainEast Your post was deleted but I was going to reply saying people don't object to rescuing hostages. Instead they see shades of grey whereas it appears the supporters of the far right (including a convicted terrorist supporting one) Israeli ministers only see black and white.
Interestingly you mention Nazi supporters, I read in Haaretz that some Israeli's are celebrating the rise of the far right in Europe (irony just hit me through the heart)just as we see on here the ridiculing of "the left" and our "left media" who oppose Israeli Govt action in Gaza.
In the UK we see the far right like EDL supporting Israel too.
Repeat again - the irony.

@LastTrainEast Shoot back at who? The Nazis or innocent civilians?

No one opposes rescuing hostages. Many are concerned and upset with the amount of innocent civilians killed as a result of that rescue.
You are being pretty selective and inflammatory with what you are saying

Israel have violated international law since year zero.

Because I was trying to answer every single little question that you keep throwing at me all in one go to try to get it over and done with. My answer answered your question and all the others. So if you intend to ask me, from now on, anything like 'do you support genocide' or 'do you think killing civilians is bad?' Or 'do you think independent journalists should be allowed to report on the war?', I'm not going to bother answering, not because I'm 'evading the question' but because I am totally and utterly fed up with the facile nature of these interactions.

@noblegiraffe Perhaps it wasn’t your intention, but that you ignored the question, and a point that was repeatedly made about Israel allowing in independent journalists and observers, did come across as thought you didn’t want this issue to be discussed.

You read but you do not understand.

Do I want independent journalists in there to referee the truth? I want everyone responsible for the whole sorry mess to be put onto a rocket and fired into the sun.

Put in independent observers, sure, I am not entirely sure why you think I should think otherwise, particularly given what I've written.

Do you agree that international reporters and observers should be allowed to do their jobs safely, so that the figures cannot be disputed (among other things)?

Yes, although probably from a range of backgrounds to minimise bias accusations.

I believe the numbers should not be disputed unless there is evidence to say they are incorrect.

I can't agree. There won't be any evidence either way at present, or for a long time. And I can't accept as fact, reports from a terrorist group with an agenda.

The level of deaths caused due to inhumane conditions is also something that is more relevant to modern warfare and that makes counting deaths more difficult. According to the UN.

Really I’m more interested in discussing the human tragedy of war, my main concerns is the unnecessary suffering and deaths of people who just want to live a *normal life.

Reality is we generally get more authoritative, reliable figures after conflicts.

This particular war is very different to any in the 20th Century to now. This is the first major conflict involving such extensive use of underground tunnels which also breached the prohibition of placing military objects very close to or right in civilian areas, for example.

This kind of warfare, unfortunately, is here to stay. In time, everything relating to it will improve - IHL, tactics, strategies, numbers of dead & injured, etc.