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Israel added to the blacklist of those countries that kill children

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EasterIssland · 07/06/2024 18:15

This is the first time that Israel and Hamas have been included on this list, joining the ranks of Russia, the Islamic State, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. The allegations against Israel mean that it is believed to be the first democratic country included on the list.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-adds-israel-to-list-of-shame-for-alleged-rights-violations-against-children-during-war-netanyahu-delusional/

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PearlKoala · 12/06/2024 11:31

I've been busy for the past day so don't know if this has been posted but the report on children and armed conflict, which has been seen by the Guardian, verified more cases of war crimes against children in the occupied territories and Israel than anywhere else, including the democratic republic of congo Myanmar, Somalia, Nigeria and Sudan.

In all, the UN verified “8,009 grave violations against 4,360 children” in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank – more than twice the figures for the DRC, the next worst place for violence against children.

In all, 5,698 violations were attributed to Israeli armed and security forces, and 116 to Hamas’s armed wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. Israeli settlers were judged responsible in 51 cases, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s al-Quds Brigades was involved in 21.

The report also found grave abuses by Israeli forces in the West Bank, with 126 Palestinian children killed and 906 detained. The UN verified five cases where soldiers used boys “to shield forces during law enforcement operations”.

All in all it is pretty damning and these are only the cases that the UN could verify, given how difficult Israel have made access to Gaza it looks like the abuses of Palestinian children really are off the charts.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/11/un-report-violations-against-children-gaza-west-bank-israel

Finallyloggedin · 10/06/2024 21:57

@PearlKoala 🙌🙌🙌

@Dulra yes, definitely. I wonder if he has spoken out, I would like to think that he still would. I’m also really sad that lovely John Pilger has passed away. I feel he would have done everything in his power to stand up for the Palestinians.

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/06/2024 21:19

The Israeli government and IDF are killing children. That's not spreading blood libel.Hmm It's a cold, hard fact.

PearlKoala · 10/06/2024 21:13

ladykale · 10/06/2024 20:59

Is the United States on this list or the United Kingdom?

How many kids did both kill during the "war on terror"?

This isn't just about killing, it's about countries that harm children. Israel have shut down healthcare, shut down schools, destroyed more than 60% homes, are actively starving children and restricting aid. 100s of 1000s of children are now without a home, without enough food, without sanitation, without medical care. I'm sure you can see how that is causing harm on a mass scale.

Dulra · 10/06/2024 21:07

According to Iraq Body Count, between 2003 and 2011, U.S. coalition forces killed at least 1,201 children in Iraq alone.

Found these figures on US in Iraq can't find figures for Afghanistan. Far too many but a lot lower than Israel has killed in 6 months

EasterIssland · 10/06/2024 21:04

ladykale · 10/06/2024 20:59

Is the United States on this list or the United Kingdom?

How many kids did both kill during the "war on terror"?

Less than those killed by Israel

https://www.unicef.org/iraq/press-releases/more-9000-children-have-been-killed-or-maimed-%E2%80%AFiraq-2008#:~:text=The%20UN%20has%20also%20verified,to%20the%20end%20of%202022.

More than 9,000 children have been killed or maimed in Iraq since 2008

At least 120,000 children killed or maimed by wars around the world across continents since 2005, an average of almost 20 a day

https://www.unicef.org/iraq/press-releases/more-9000-children-have-been-killed-or-maimed-%E2%80%AFiraq-2008#:~:text=The%20UN%20has%20also%20verified,to%20the%20end%20of%202022.

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ladykale · 10/06/2024 20:59

EasterIssland · 07/06/2024 18:15

This is the first time that Israel and Hamas have been included on this list, joining the ranks of Russia, the Islamic State, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. The allegations against Israel mean that it is believed to be the first democratic country included on the list.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-adds-israel-to-list-of-shame-for-alleged-rights-violations-against-children-during-war-netanyahu-delusional/

Is the United States on this list or the United Kingdom?

How many kids did both kill during the "war on terror"?

PearlKoala · 10/06/2024 20:58

Lightcity · 10/06/2024 20:57

There was no mistaking the tone.

Yeah, just as I thought.

Lightcity · 10/06/2024 20:57

There was no mistaking the tone.

PearlKoala · 10/06/2024 20:57

Lightcity · 10/06/2024 20:53

Mocking October 7th-that's a new low, even for this thread.

Perhaps you could break it down for me and explain how exactly I 'mocked' Oct 7? Or are you just plopping in with some faux outrage in an attempt to derail the thread?

ConnieCounter · 10/06/2024 20:54

Lightcity · 10/06/2024 20:53

Mocking October 7th-that's a new low, even for this thread.

You're going out of your way to be outraged by something you've imagined was said.

Lightcity · 10/06/2024 20:53

PearlKoala · 10/06/2024 20:43

He must be mistaken surely, didn't this all start on Oct 7?

Mocking October 7th-that's a new low, even for this thread.

Dulra · 10/06/2024 20:49

Finallyloggedin · 10/06/2024 20:38

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1800112924029247878?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Jon Snow news report back from 2015. Israel has been waging war on children for a very long time.

I know he's retired but would love to hear his take on what is happening in Gaza now.

PearlKoala · 10/06/2024 20:43

Finallyloggedin · 10/06/2024 20:38

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1800112924029247878?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Jon Snow news report back from 2015. Israel has been waging war on children for a very long time.

He must be mistaken surely, didn't this all start on Oct 7?

Finallyloggedin · 10/06/2024 20:38

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1800112924029247878?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Jon Snow news report back from 2015. Israel has been waging war on children for a very long time.

x.com

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1800112924029247878?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Auvergne63 · 09/06/2024 17:10

The UN is anti-Israel & at this point totally discredited.
Then why is Israel still a member of the UN? Discredited? By whom?

Shrover · 09/06/2024 08:39

I didn’t see the deleted tweet so can only presume the reference to blood libel that has upset Duskybluedepartinglight and Purplechrayn was that specific tweet, and not the inclusion of Israel in this list? Because whilst we know the blood libel was a myth created to stir up antisemitism, we can all see what is happening in Gaza via creditable news agencies. Just as we could the mass murder committed by Hamas in October.

Who has discredited the UN?

FindThatThing · 09/06/2024 08:17

Good.
As they should be.
Should have been decades ago.

Dulra · 09/06/2024 00:00

Scirocco · 08/06/2024 23:57

People and governments should take responsibility for their actions and the consequences of those actions. If a government is aware that a proposed course of action is likely to disproportionately destroy the lives of children, then they should seek to mitigate that and be accountable for their actions. I've not seen any evidence of meaningful or effective efforts to do so, nor of anyone taking responsibility for the deaths of thousands of children and the life-changing trauma of many more.

Or an ounce of remorse

Scirocco · 08/06/2024 23:57

ConnieCounter · 08/06/2024 23:51

If saying that Israel kills children is hate speech then I give up 🤦‍♀️

People and governments should take responsibility for their actions and the consequences of those actions. If a government is aware that a proposed course of action is likely to disproportionately destroy the lives of children, then they should seek to mitigate that and be accountable for their actions. I've not seen any evidence of meaningful or effective efforts to do so, nor of anyone taking responsibility for the deaths of thousands of children and the life-changing trauma of many more.

ConnieCounter · 08/06/2024 23:56

I said that Israel had killed babies. Which it has.

https://x.com/hzomlot/status/1799539297365659897?t=rcUZ7gQ8OJ5d7L3q1LdFcw&s=19

I'd advise anyone who cares about Palestinians not to look at this tweet but for those who don't believe Israel kills children here is the scene from the latest massacre. This happened today.

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https://x.com/hzomlot/status/1799539297365659897?s=19&t=rcUZ7gQ8OJ5d7L3q1LdFcw

Dulra · 08/06/2024 23:55

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 08/06/2024 23:49

If you support hate speech, there's just no way you can be posting on this topic in good faith.

Catch yourselves on!

That's ridiculous. Report the thread to Mumsnet and get the thread deleted but don't accuse people of supporting hate speech for posting on it. If you report the thread and it's not deleted does that mean Mumsnet also support hate speech?

PearlKoala · 08/06/2024 23:54

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 08/06/2024 23:51

How convenient

I don't understand? I'm trying to have a conversation in good faith about the thread topic but it feels like you are trying to play some kind of game. Is there a reason you don't want to stick to the topic of the thread instead of what feels like attacking me for doing so?