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Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 21:03

PearlKoala · 05/06/2024 20:58

I'm assuming you haven't been on mumsnet very long if you feel it is appropriate to drag other threads over to this one. It is derailing and it is deflecting to do that. I'm going to stop responding to you now because you seem intent on pulling the focus away from settlers and their abhorrent behaviour which is what this thread is about.

If you read the full thread you'd see my comments were not derailing but in direct response to other posters. I of course realise that would require a bit of effort on your part so obviously don't actually expect you to do so. Why bother with facts when you already have a solid opinion, right?

No need to pull focus away from today's march as I also found it abhorrent.

I guess I'll never get my apology though. That's surprising.

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 21:01

keenforhelp · 05/06/2024 19:34

@Auvergne63 So glad you agree that telling somebody that they have made anti-Semitic comments is a serious accusation.

It is.

And MN agreed.

I was very worried about the comment - imagine if I had have said - and this is how Muslims celebrated X. The poster has conflated a national day with ALL Jews. It is anti-Semitic to say this as it suggests ALL Jews and not the Israelis here.

Double posted

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TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 21:01

keenforhelp · 05/06/2024 19:34

@Auvergne63 So glad you agree that telling somebody that they have made anti-Semitic comments is a serious accusation.

It is.

And MN agreed.

I was very worried about the comment - imagine if I had have said - and this is how Muslims celebrated X. The poster has conflated a national day with ALL Jews. It is anti-Semitic to say this as it suggests ALL Jews and not the Israelis here.

The poster has conflated a national day with ALL Jews. It is anti-Semitic to say this as it suggests ALL Jews and not the Israelis here.

@Humdingerydoo re this

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PearlKoala · 05/06/2024 20:58

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:55

I can blame you for not bothering to read any of the previous posts.

My comparison was perfectly fine. No need to make any different choices. I'd make the same one again.

I'm assuming you haven't been on this board very long as you seem to have missed all the threads where posters, many present on this very thread, have said the weekly marches are not problematic and Jews are perfectly safe.

I didn't clarify my thoughts, I just repeated what I'd already said as you were apparently incapable of going back and reading.

Looking forward to my apology. I'm assuming it won't be long now!

I'm assuming you haven't been on mumsnet very long if you feel it is appropriate to drag other threads over to this one. It is derailing and it is deflecting to do that. I'm going to stop responding to you now because you seem intent on pulling the focus away from settlers and their abhorrent behaviour which is what this thread is about.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:55

PearlKoala · 05/06/2024 20:50

You said yourself- I wasn't going to compare the two on here because I didn't want to come across as though I was trying to deflect or minimise but some of the posts on here are absolutely outrageous in their blatant hypocrisy which needs to be called out.

It did come across exactly as you thought it would, you can hardly blame people for pulling you up on it. Perhaps choose your comparisons more wisely in future, especially when nobody on this thread said that they didn't believe Jews, you decided to bring that up out of nowhere which does make it seem like you were trying to deflect.

I'm glad you have clarified your thoughts in settlers.

I can blame you for not bothering to read any of the previous posts.

My comparison was perfectly fine. No need to make any different choices. I'd make the same one again.

I'm assuming you haven't been on this board very long as you seem to have missed all the threads where posters, many present on this very thread, have said the weekly marches are not problematic and Jews are perfectly safe.

I didn't clarify my thoughts, I just repeated what I'd already said as you were apparently incapable of going back and reading.

Looking forward to my apology. I'm assuming it won't be long now!

anotherlevel · 05/06/2024 20:53

Exactly @PearlKoala well said.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:51

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:38

More out of irritation to the non inflammatory post.

You said “Jews celebrated” - obviously they would have to be Jewish.

Settlers - can settlers be not Jewish? And from my understanding they can be dual national.

Israelis - you can be Israeli and not Jewish.

The pp was keen to point out that these people on their parade were Israeli. They would literally have to be Jewish to be on that parade and not necessarily Israeli.

I’m assuming here the 1000 or so marching through a tight area weren’t the left wing Israeli Jewish population. Nor would I assume it would be the non Jewish Israeli population.

I have absolutely no clue what you're trying to say here or what point you're trying to make.

PearlKoala · 05/06/2024 20:50

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:43

As I've said, I wasn't discussing the protests. I was discussing how people don't believe Jews when they say the protests intimidate and terrify them. That they don't feel safe near them. As always, you've taken my words and changed them into something else to suit your preferred narrative and as a result you end up attacking me for things I haven't said and accusing me of having opinions I don't have.

I look forward to you apologising for your accusations once you've gone back over my comments and seen what I've actually said. Alternatively, save yourself the hassle by just believing the words I'm saying? No part of me is supportive of violent or illegal settlers or today's march. I believe I even called the march gross at one point on this thread.

You said yourself- I wasn't going to compare the two on here because I didn't want to come across as though I was trying to deflect or minimise but some of the posts on here are absolutely outrageous in their blatant hypocrisy which needs to be called out.

It did come across exactly as you thought it would, you can hardly blame people for pulling you up on it. Perhaps choose your comparisons more wisely in future, especially when nobody on this thread said that they didn't believe Jews, you decided to bring that up out of nowhere which does make it seem like you were trying to deflect.

I'm glad you have clarified your thoughts in settlers.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:49

anotherlevel · 05/06/2024 20:42

Deleted because I can’t be bothered.

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Why on earth should I be expected to just let people say whatever bullshit they want without challenging it? Surely I'm allowed to point out the hypocrisy of so many on this thread?

I hope you also believe it's genocidal intent when your "ceasefire now" marchers call for globalising the intifada, Jihad and "all resistance is justified". Otherwise you're being hypocritical. Which has been my only point in this regard. Because I think today's march was beyond disgraceful and shouldn't have been allowed to go ahead. I have absolutely no problem with acknowledging that. What about you and the ceasefire marches? Are you able to say the same, or even vaguely similar, about them?

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:43

PearlKoala · 05/06/2024 20:35

I repeat: If you don't feel that settlers are the same as London protesters then you probably shouldn't compare the two then be outraged when people take you at your word that you feel the two are the same.

As I've said, I wasn't discussing the protests. I was discussing how people don't believe Jews when they say the protests intimidate and terrify them. That they don't feel safe near them. As always, you've taken my words and changed them into something else to suit your preferred narrative and as a result you end up attacking me for things I haven't said and accusing me of having opinions I don't have.

I look forward to you apologising for your accusations once you've gone back over my comments and seen what I've actually said. Alternatively, save yourself the hassle by just believing the words I'm saying? No part of me is supportive of violent or illegal settlers or today's march. I believe I even called the march gross at one point on this thread.

anotherlevel · 05/06/2024 20:42

Deleted because I can’t be bothered.

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:38

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:27

I mean, I obviously won't. It's an outrageous thing to ask 'anyone' to do.

More out of irritation to the non inflammatory post.

You said “Jews celebrated” - obviously they would have to be Jewish.

Settlers - can settlers be not Jewish? And from my understanding they can be dual national.

Israelis - you can be Israeli and not Jewish.

The pp was keen to point out that these people on their parade were Israeli. They would literally have to be Jewish to be on that parade and not necessarily Israeli.

I’m assuming here the 1000 or so marching through a tight area weren’t the left wing Israeli Jewish population. Nor would I assume it would be the non Jewish Israeli population.

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PearlKoala · 05/06/2024 20:35

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:21

You said I'm lying about my true opinions on settlers. If you're going to make an outrageous accusation then at least be brave enough to either stand by it or apologise for it, or at least retract it.

My point with regards to the marches was people should believe Jews. You have taken that to mean I secretly like the settlers. That's an incredibly messed up message to have taken from my words.

I repeat: If you don't feel that settlers are the same as London protesters then you probably shouldn't compare the two then be outraged when people take you at your word that you feel the two are the same.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:33

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:31

At no point did I say ALL Jews, I pretty much said as you said.

And apparently "pretty much" wasn't quite good enough.

Anyway, I really don't know what you said so this is an even more pointless discussion than all the other ones we're having.

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:31

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:29

It's presumably because you took my words and then twisted them to make it sound as though this is how all Jews celebrate, despite me saying it was the equivalent of EDL? At least that's what I'm getting from the post you quoted.

At no point did I say ALL Jews, I pretty much said as you said.

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Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:29

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:18

Apologies @Humdingerydoo it is actually @keenforhelp who feels that your original statement was wrong. Perhaps she would like to report your post and have that deleted too?

It's presumably because you took my words and then twisted them to make it sound as though this is how all Jews celebrate, despite me saying it was the equivalent of EDL? At least that's what I'm getting from the post you quoted.

TrickyRibbon · 05/06/2024 20:28

Polka83 · 05/06/2024 19:46

No- but the people reading your comments will have a view on the source of your “evidence.” If you do in fact want to influence people - you should consider what sources they might think are reputable.

Or you can continue to post without actually wanting to influence or change people’s minds.

Do you do the same things when people post links from pro-Hamas twitter accounts?

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:27

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:23

Ok don’t.

I mean, I obviously won't. It's an outrageous thing to ask 'anyone' to do.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:25

anotherlevel · 05/06/2024 20:23

This thread isn't about the protests in the UK and how Jewish people feel scared. Of course, if that is how you feel that's your right. But there is already another thread about that where you can discuss this issue as you well know.
This one is about the settlers parade in Jerusalem and how it's affecting those (Palestinians) who live there.

I'm not discussing the protests. I'm discussing the fact Jewish feelings and opinions are being dismissed and ignored and the hypocrisy displayed on this thread. Why is that such a problem for you?

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:23

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:22

Why?

Ok don’t.

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anotherlevel · 05/06/2024 20:23

This thread isn't about the protests in the UK and how Jewish people feel scared. Of course, if that is how you feel that's your right. But there is already another thread about that where you can discuss this issue as you well know.
This one is about the settlers parade in Jerusalem and how it's affecting those (Palestinians) who live there.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:22

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:18

So anyone please define:

Jews
Israelis
Settlers

Why?

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:21

PearlKoala · 05/06/2024 20:15

I never said you were lying about being scared. I said you are minimising what is happening to Palestinians by making crass comparisons to marches in London.

I have never once on this board doubted that Jews are scared. My objection to your posts is pretty clear to read. You should be able to make your point without minimising the horrific, violent suffering of others.

If you don't feel that settlers are the same as London protesters then you probably shouldn't compare the two then be outraged when people take you at your word that you feel the two are the same.

You said I'm lying about my true opinions on settlers. If you're going to make an outrageous accusation then at least be brave enough to either stand by it or apologise for it, or at least retract it.

My point with regards to the marches was people should believe Jews. You have taken that to mean I secretly like the settlers. That's an incredibly messed up message to have taken from my words.

TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:18

So anyone please define:

Jews
Israelis
Settlers

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TakeMe2Insanity · 05/06/2024 20:18

keenforhelp · 05/06/2024 19:34

@Auvergne63 So glad you agree that telling somebody that they have made anti-Semitic comments is a serious accusation.

It is.

And MN agreed.

I was very worried about the comment - imagine if I had have said - and this is how Muslims celebrated X. The poster has conflated a national day with ALL Jews. It is anti-Semitic to say this as it suggests ALL Jews and not the Israelis here.

Apologies @Humdingerydoo it is actually @keenforhelp who feels that your original statement was wrong. Perhaps she would like to report your post and have that deleted too?

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