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Israeli government, police and IDF treatment and dehumanisation of non-Jewish Israelis and Palestinians outside of Gaza

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Finallyloggedin · 03/06/2024 21:37

Apologies for the long title! There are so many awful things happening to the Palestinians in the West Bank, the Christians in Israel and others.

I thought there was already a thread detailing this but now can’t find it, apologies if I am missing it. Or it may have already been full.

Here is a clip of Israeli minister of finance, Bezelal Smotrich, vowing to topple Netanyahu’s government and calling for genocidal violence in the West Bank.
https://x.com/mintpressnews/status/1797712255154549118?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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https://x.com/mintpressnews/status/1797712255154549118?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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ScrollingLeaves · 03/08/2024 21:00

Haaretz

Israeli Troops Raided Two Palestinian Villages, and Killed Two Men Within an Hour

Soldiers killed a Palestinian social worker who pleaded with them to let an ambulance with a woman in labor pass. They fired tear gas at the deceased's home and also killed another man for throwing stones

The forces struck at dawn, splitting into two: One group raided the town of Sa'ir, the other entered the neighboring town of Shuyukh. Within an hour, two Palestinians were dead – neither of whom should have been killed. In Sa'ir, Israel Defense Forces troops killed a social worker, Jihad Shalalda, 39, a father of six whose wife is pregnant; in Shuyukh, they killed Ramez Halaika, 22, who threw a stone at a convoy of armored jeeps. Two people killed within an hour, that was the bitter harvest of the forces that raided the two villages northeast of Hebron. All our forces returned safely to their base. As in the Gaza Strip, in the West Bank, too, it's okay now to shoot anyone who moves.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/08/2024 20:53

Dulra · 03/08/2024 17:51

I read this article the other day. Thought I posted it but don't think I did. Highlights children's abuse in Israeli prisons.

https://www.thejournal.ie/children-abused-in-israeli-prison-6443831-Jul2024/?utm_source=shortlink

It is awful. What a lot of wrong Israel has been carrying out with impunity.

Re the imprisonment of Palestinian children for throwing stones - when adult Israeli settlers throw stones at Palestinians on their on their own land , no one arrests them.

Finallyloggedin · 03/08/2024 16:06

“Painful day in occupied #West_Bank

Since the morning, Israeli occupation forces have MURDERED 9 Palestinians in West Bank cities!”

Motasem A Dalloul

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Finallyloggedin · 02/08/2024 18:11

@ScrollingLeaves totally agree and thank you for the Haaretz article, very enlightening and scary too.

I just watched this really interesting clip where Zachary Foster, Jewish American historian, describes the background to Hamas becoming violent. For anyone reading this with any doubt, I certainly do NOT feel their violence on October 7th was justified by any means. I just find this clip interesting as it explains how the organisation evolved from what it was back when it was founded, and apparently then it changed in 1987.

We will never know if things would have been different without the Israeli settlers constantly stealing more land from the Palestinians but it is certainly no way to achieve peace.

How Israeli Violence Radicalized Hamas in 1987-1988

This video is about How Hamas transitioned from a Charity Organization to a militant resistance group. For the full interview, see go to Edip Yuksel's youtub...

https://youtu.be/KitcefUOMMw?si=81ue7aoSI9MFpjHo

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ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2024 14:24

This is from Haaretz

Israel Is Losing Its 50-year War Against the Ultranationalist Kingdom of Judea

*This was no mere attack by lowlifes on two IDF bases. This was another battle in our 50-year war between the Kingdom of Judea and the State of Israel. The people of Judea, the settlers, Haredi ultranationalists and Kahanists are trying to conquer Israel and change it from a liberal, moderate, advanced country into a radical, religious, messianic one that hates the entire world. And there is a risk they will succeed.^

These are the same settler lowlifes who are stealing Palestinian land, and army lowlifes backing them up.

The West thought they were helping Israel defend itself by sending arms. They are not defending Israel, just aiding and abetting zealot criminals.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2024 14:01

Finallyloggedin · 02/08/2024 09:15

“🚨Urgent:
Beit Jala, Bethlehem-West Bank: After being forcibly evicted from their land yesterday, a Christian Palestinian family returned with a document from the Israeli court affirming their rightful ownership.

The settlers, protected by the IDF, refused to leave and continued to illegally occupy the land. The military then forcibly expelled the family again for the second time.”

https://x.com/ihabhassane/status/1819131838775877766?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

This is so awful. The thug, illegal settlers have been doing this for years haven’t they, and now just more of it, sanctioned by the largely immoral and illegally behaving army.

The Israelis who are letting this lawlessness happen should watch out. It will gobble all they stood for that was good.

I would bet that those thuggish, thieving bullies, are also thugs to their wives.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2024 10:14

Finallyloggedin · 01/08/2024 13:02

“🧵 Israeli soldier Yaron Cohen from the 417 brigade operating in the Jordan Valley in the West Bank.

“Anything less than the wiping out of Gaza & the extermination of the Palestinians is unacceptable!!!“

He is genocidal but received an appreciation letter from his commander”

(thread below post)

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1818953250868969621?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Could it be sent to the ICCJ?

Also to MPs Labour needs to stop arming Israel. Maybe people need to remind their MPs what is happening.

Too
many in power are evil criminals. They are as bad as Hamas, but while Hamas got in one day’s worth of killing they’ve had 300 so far and have no intention of stopping, and had massively more powerful weapons to do their killing with too.

Too many in power are genocidal theives. They are ruining their own country where the majority are decent people just wanting a secure home. They do not care about the hostages either!and have consistently shown that.

Finallyloggedin · 02/08/2024 09:15

“🚨Urgent:
Beit Jala, Bethlehem-West Bank: After being forcibly evicted from their land yesterday, a Christian Palestinian family returned with a document from the Israeli court affirming their rightful ownership.

The settlers, protected by the IDF, refused to leave and continued to illegally occupy the land. The military then forcibly expelled the family again for the second time.”

https://x.com/ihabhassane/status/1819131838775877766?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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https://x.com/ihabhassane/status/1819131838775877766?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 01/08/2024 13:02

“🧵 Israeli soldier Yaron Cohen from the 417 brigade operating in the Jordan Valley in the West Bank.

“Anything less than the wiping out of Gaza & the extermination of the Palestinians is unacceptable!!!“

He is genocidal but received an appreciation letter from his commander”

(thread below post)

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1818953250868969621?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1818953250868969621?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 01/08/2024 12:22

“Bethlehem -

Israeli settlers descended from one of the terror outposts near the village od Wadi Rahal and opened fire on residents.

5 are injured in various degrees and transferred to Hospital.”

x.com/ytirawi/status/1818690513966399689?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 30/07/2024 19:23

https://x.com/muntherisaac/status/1818203204124815475?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Palestinian Christian Layan Nasir’s detention without charge has been extended.

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https://x.com/muntherisaac/status/1818203204124815475?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 23/07/2024 23:23

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1815866105530859872?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“Tulkarem:

Israeli soldiers use a Palestinian as a human shield during their incursion into the city”

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https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1815866105530859872?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 16:57

Also see https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-attacks-on-christians-become-more-frequent-a-crisis-looms-for-israel/ for just one example of violence towards Christians.

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Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 16:57

@User2460177 you assert that Israel has the best human rights record, can you explain to me how you come to that conclusion when the Israeli government are currently committing genocide?

Plus, there are loads of examples of Christians being treated appallingly with the authorities turning a blind eye.

Amazing speech from Munther Issac in which he delivers from a mosque in South Africa. Within it he dispels many of the myths you have claimed:

Palestine - awakening the conscience of the World- Rev Munther Isaac

Rev. Munther Isaac is a prominent Palestinian Christian theologian, pastor, and academic. Born in Beit Sahour, a town near Bethlehem in the West Bank, his li...

https://youtu.be/AlH4ll6jjyI?si=n0GMGniJZaWHb7DG

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Auvergne63 · 15/07/2024 16:06

Scirocco · 15/07/2024 15:49

'Islamic' does not mean the same as 'Islamist'.

There is a huge difference between the two.

Auvergne63 · 15/07/2024 16:04

User2460177 · 15/07/2024 13:40

You haven’t actually posted anything that would make your title accurate. The IDF and Israeli police have many non Jewish Israelis who serve in them. Around 30% of Israeli citizens are not ethnically Jewish (a much higher percentage are not considered Jewish according to religious law). All Israeli citizens have equal rights in all respects and it is legally prohibited to discriminate due to religion or race. Non Jewish Israelis achieve well in Israel and sit in parliament and as judges, etc. they are actually slightly more likely to be in some key professions (such as medicine) than Jewish Israelis.

Israel has many faults but is the only democracy in the Middle East and by an enormous margin has the best human rights record in the region.

I will leave these links for you to read.
Israel’s controversial new “Jewish nation-state” law, explained - Vox
'Non-Jewish' Jews endure challenges living in Israel (jewishjournal.com)
Israel adopts divisive law that declares only Jews have the right of self-determination (nbcnews.com)
Finally, Israel has been downgraded as a democracy.
Israel No Longer Considered Liberal Democracy; Global Index Cites Judicial Coup - Israel News - Haaretz.com

Demonstrators attend a rally to protest against the “Jewish Nation-State Bill” in the Israeli coastal city of Tel Aviv on July 14, 2018.

Israel’s hugely controversial “nation-state” law, explained

Supporters call Israel’s new Jewish nation-state law a “defining moment.” Critics say it’s “apartheid.”

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy

Scirocco · 15/07/2024 15:49

'Islamic' does not mean the same as 'Islamist'.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2024 14:22

Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:27

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1812562735361896815?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“ "Jesus is a fagot, Jesus is a son of a whre"
The daily routine in Jerusalem: Jews spit, attack and curse Christians, especially clergymen.“

This news report has clergymen speaking in English so well worth watching even if you don’t (as I don’t) speak Hebrew.

Those ignorant thugs’ behaviour is obscene. I take it they have no religion themselves, or else don’t understand it.

User2460177 · 15/07/2024 13:44

BelleHathor · 12/07/2024 23:07

One of biggest tragedies is how Palestinian Christians have been "forgotten" during this conflict by some people. Likely in order to frame the situation as a "religious war" between Islam and Judaism.

Sadly there is widespread discrimination in Palestinian society towards Christians and the percentage of christians in those territories has declined rapidly as many have left. Some have even been able to claim asylum in Israel (although most have gone overseas).

it’s a myth that Hamas is favourable towards christians. They are an Islamic fundamentalist group who have expressed the wish to massacre christians after the Jews. Same goes for Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the various other similar organizations in Gaza and the West Bank.

User2460177 · 15/07/2024 13:40

Finallyloggedin · 03/06/2024 21:37

Apologies for the long title! There are so many awful things happening to the Palestinians in the West Bank, the Christians in Israel and others.

I thought there was already a thread detailing this but now can’t find it, apologies if I am missing it. Or it may have already been full.

Here is a clip of Israeli minister of finance, Bezelal Smotrich, vowing to topple Netanyahu’s government and calling for genocidal violence in the West Bank.
https://x.com/mintpressnews/status/1797712255154549118?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

You haven’t actually posted anything that would make your title accurate. The IDF and Israeli police have many non Jewish Israelis who serve in them. Around 30% of Israeli citizens are not ethnically Jewish (a much higher percentage are not considered Jewish according to religious law). All Israeli citizens have equal rights in all respects and it is legally prohibited to discriminate due to religion or race. Non Jewish Israelis achieve well in Israel and sit in parliament and as judges, etc. they are actually slightly more likely to be in some key professions (such as medicine) than Jewish Israelis.

Israel has many faults but is the only democracy in the Middle East and by an enormous margin has the best human rights record in the region.

Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:32

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1812751153060360440?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Guard at Al Aqsa Mosque before and after being held by Israeli authorities. (I’m not sure why he was in detention, or whether he was just taken hostage, as often happens to Palestinians).

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https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1812751153060360440?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:27

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1812562735361896815?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“ "Jesus is a fagot, Jesus is a son of a whre"
The daily routine in Jerusalem: Jews spit, attack and curse Christians, especially clergymen.“

This news report has clergymen speaking in English so well worth watching even if you don’t (as I don’t) speak Hebrew.

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https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1812562735361896815?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:20

@BelleHathor so true, and all to fit a narrative, as you say.

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