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BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 14:11

@keenforhelp
It is not my opinion stated as fact. It is fact. It all there for you to research

I can post all the research later, but I'm at work.
Those who dehumanise Palestinians are those who have been calling them cockroaches, human animals, have said they don't love their children like 'they' do, etc.

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 14:02

Lampzade · 04/06/2024 13:58

This

Yep - it is racism and anti-Semitism at its most rampant. And there are people on this thread cheering this one!

Lampzade · 04/06/2024 13:58

ssd · 02/06/2024 20:09

Whilst I'm appalled at the slaughter going on in Gaza, i dont think its right to ban a whole country, there are Israelis as appalled at whats going on as i am.

This

Mellowdramadrama · 04/06/2024 13:55

BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 13:27

"Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse," is based on fact. It becomes an opinion when people dehumanise Palestinians.

Exactly this

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:43

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 13:33

Stop making ridiculous points you can't stand over if you don't want them challenged?

@ConnieCounter you have just proved my point for all to see.

AhNowTed · 04/06/2024 13:35

Honestly folks, why bother.

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 13:33

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:23

Yes I did say that dogs are treated well by people in the UK and Ireland.

Aren't they?

If you want to use an outdated cliche to explain your point of view, then that is your problem. Just do not dare say what I am saying is ridiculous because you do not agree with it. I won't put up with your inflammatory language.

" Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse" - that is your opinion.

Who the heck do you think you are inviting me to set a record straight and get me to agree with your opinion! Unbelievable!

I have not suggested or said that I agree with any atrocities taking place anywhere in the world nor that human rights abuses should be ignored.

Do not, I repeat, STOP putting words into my mouth or say that I am implying things.

Just stop!

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Stop making ridiculous points you can't stand over if you don't want them challenged?

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:33

BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 13:27

"Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse," is based on fact. It becomes an opinion when people dehumanise Palestinians.

It is your opinion stated as a fact.

That does not make it a fact.

Who is dehumanising Palestinians?

BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 13:27

"Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse," is based on fact. It becomes an opinion when people dehumanise Palestinians.

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:23

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 12:59

When I said that Israel has treated Palestinians like dogs you said dogs are treated very well, thus minimising/denying decades of abuse of Palestinians.

Anyone reading what you wrote would have understood that that's what you meant, unless you want to correct the record now and say you do understand that Palestinians have endured horrendous treatment under Israeli occupation and blockade?

Yes I did say that dogs are treated well by people in the UK and Ireland.

Aren't they?

If you want to use an outdated cliche to explain your point of view, then that is your problem. Just do not dare say what I am saying is ridiculous because you do not agree with it. I won't put up with your inflammatory language.

" Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse" - that is your opinion.

Who the heck do you think you are inviting me to set a record straight and get me to agree with your opinion! Unbelievable!

I have not suggested or said that I agree with any atrocities taking place anywhere in the world nor that human rights abuses should be ignored.

Do not, I repeat, STOP putting words into my mouth or say that I am implying things.

Just stop!

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 12:59

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 12:37

@ConnieCounter What?

Upthread, at 16:46 yesterday, you said:
"You are being extremely unfair to those who've suffered under Israeli occupation and blockade by suggesting these atrocities didn't/don't happen. You can ignore human rights abuses if you want. But it doesn't mean they're not happening."

I did not suggest any such thing anywhere and nowhere can it be construed that I am ignoring human rights abuses.

I repeat, do not ever say anything like this to me again - that is state that I said/suggested something when I did not.

Extremely inflammatory behaviour.

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When I said that Israel has treated Palestinians like dogs you said dogs are treated very well, thus minimising/denying decades of abuse of Palestinians.

Anyone reading what you wrote would have understood that that's what you meant, unless you want to correct the record now and say you do understand that Palestinians have endured horrendous treatment under Israeli occupation and blockade?

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 12:37

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 22:45

I never did. You said them!

@ConnieCounter What?

Upthread, at 16:46 yesterday, you said:
"You are being extremely unfair to those who've suffered under Israeli occupation and blockade by suggesting these atrocities didn't/don't happen. You can ignore human rights abuses if you want. But it doesn't mean they're not happening."

I did not suggest any such thing anywhere and nowhere can it be construed that I am ignoring human rights abuses.

I repeat, do not ever say anything like this to me again - that is state that I said/suggested something when I did not.

Extremely inflammatory behaviour.

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 23:47

Yes I have never seen citizenship based on religion before. Fucked up on both counts.

Nautiluss · 03/06/2024 23:44

Isn't it?

The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 23:35

Interesting how the rules are different based on religion.

The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 23:15

SharonEllis · 03/06/2024 22:45

My word, you actually thought that through and typed it out?

Thank you for your thorough review of my post.

SharonEllis · 03/06/2024 22:53

LettuceTruss · 02/06/2024 21:05

Most Israelis have at least one other nationality. One of my friends is Swiss through her father, Austrian and Israeli through her mother, British through naturalisation, French through marriage and she has just become American through residence.

Not most. Estimates vary from 8-10% as far as I'm aware. Think about it. Many Israelis fled countries where they were persecuted. This entailed losing their citizenship.

SharonEllis · 03/06/2024 22:45

PearlKoala · 02/06/2024 20:37

Me either, I would support all countries banning entry for members of the knesset, serving members of the IDF, anyone that works in military prisons/the military justice system, the 10% of Israelis that live in occupied territory and probably more if I took the time to think about it. An outright ban on everyone seems unfair though but it may be easier(and cheaper) to just impose an outright ban than a visa system.

My word, you actually thought that through and typed it out?

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 22:45

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 22:32

@ConnieCounter and there you go sweet talking me again.

Don't ever accuse me again of saying something I did not say or suggest.

I never did. You said them!

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 22:32

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 20:00

OK that's too ridiculous for words. Everything in my previous post still stands.

@ConnieCounter and there you go sweet talking me again.

Don't ever accuse me again of saying something I did not say or suggest.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:52

And don't accuse me of calling people stupid. I did not. I said YOU were being DELIBERATELY obtuse. Deliberate implies you know what you are doing.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:51

But you kept on and on and on at me when I answered you.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:50

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You're just deliberately accusing people of being stupid because you assume something that isn't true about them.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:50

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:40

I'm not discussing the Congo or Taiwan. What have they got to go with this? And no Gaza is not in Israel.

I just mentioned this as one of several countries where probably the majority of people in the UK don't know exactly where the border lie or their precise political status like are they countries or not, and on which days after which wars or battles have these borders or definitions changed.

Just pointing out lots of places have precise definitions people don't know. Assuming everyone does and that anyone claiming they doesn't is a mistake.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:47

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