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Israel says tent camp blaze that killed 45 Palestinians could have been caused by exploding Hamas weapons cache

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keenforhelp · 29/05/2024 11:05

The weapons they used were of particularly low yield and shouldn’t have been able to cause a detonation like that. The video shows multiple smaller explosions which does point towards some kind of explosive being hidden with the civilians.

So let's not be so quick to judge - let's wait for more evidence before apportioning blame one either side.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13471003/Israel-says-tent-camp-blaze-killed-45-Palestinians-sparked-international-outcry-caused-exploding-Hamas-weapons-cache-IDF-tanks-roll-centre-Rafah.html

Israel says horror tent camp blaze not caused by IDF strikes alone

Horrifying scenes on Sunday showed a blazing hellscape following airstrikes near tents for displaced Palestinians in a designated safe zone due northwest of Rafah city

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13471003/Israel-says-tent-camp-blaze-killed-45-Palestinians-sparked-international-outcry-caused-exploding-Hamas-weapons-cache-IDF-tanks-roll-centre-Rafah.html

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ConnieCounter · 29/05/2024 17:05

OverfilledBookcase · 29/05/2024 16:15

I read that Israel used precision bombing 100ft outside the humanitarian area to target a Hamas base. The munitions that detonated inside the camp were in a Hamas vehicle. A Jeep to be precise.

I imagine a vehicle packed with explosives would cause massive damage in an area filled with tents.

Why on earth was it there among civilians?

Absolutely disgusting.

Lots on Twitter about it including videos.

Did you think it was disgusting yesterday or only after you read something on twitter today saying it was Hamas's fault so now it's disgusting?

Scirocco · 29/05/2024 16:58

That's actually claiming they struck 1.7km away, which magically caused a secondary explosion 100m away, which then spread. They really should just pick a lie and stick to it.

OverfilledBookcase · 29/05/2024 16:54

Dulra · 29/05/2024 16:17

Any links to this?

I’m sure you can find them yourself.

It was 100m not 100ft.

https://x.com/IDF/status/1795487775598231990

https://x.com/AbuAliEnglishB1/status/1795168319701430624

x.com

https://x.com/IDF/status/1795487775598231990

Megera · 29/05/2024 16:52

If Israel is speaking, they’re lying.

Scirocco · 29/05/2024 16:51

TakeMe2Insanity · 29/05/2024 16:40

in simple terms the IDF have kettled the population and then precision bombed them.

Yep.

TakeMe2Insanity · 29/05/2024 16:40

in simple terms the IDF have kettled the population and then precision bombed them.

TakeMe2Insanity · 29/05/2024 16:38

Peonii · 29/05/2024 11:22

And how are Israel explaining the decapitation of children?

Thats the point they aren’t. They are deflecting as per usual.

EasterIssland · 29/05/2024 16:37

We need to remember that IDF has never lied and always provided the proof for their investigation. Please believe IDF

ps. They should have never bombed a safe area. End of

Newsenmum · 29/05/2024 16:24

Maybe if the idf actually created safe spaces for women and children I would feel sorry for how ‘difficult’ it is for them. No, it’s pretty clear to anyone that they are out for revenge (understandable) and want to eliminate Palestine (not actually ok).

Newsenmum · 29/05/2024 16:22

There are people still supporting the IDF? Yes it is very difficult to get the hostages back and defeat Hamas. But their approach has been horrendous. I know very few people who disagree.

Dulra · 29/05/2024 16:17

OverfilledBookcase · 29/05/2024 16:15

I read that Israel used precision bombing 100ft outside the humanitarian area to target a Hamas base. The munitions that detonated inside the camp were in a Hamas vehicle. A Jeep to be precise.

I imagine a vehicle packed with explosives would cause massive damage in an area filled with tents.

Why on earth was it there among civilians?

Absolutely disgusting.

Lots on Twitter about it including videos.

Any links to this?

OverfilledBookcase · 29/05/2024 16:15

Scirocco · 29/05/2024 12:52

Israel told civilians to evacuate to that area, stating it was a 'humanitarian' or 'safe' zone. They therefore knew it had a high density of civilians, including children and other vulnerable people.

Israel also has made a big show of its efforts to evacuate people, using this as a key part of its defence against the case in the ICJ. These notifications have continued, telling people to leave areas in advance of operations there. (Although there's an awareness that these notifications are often misleading).

Israel had the knowledge of a high density of civilians, the capability to communicate evacuation instructions, and likely the time to tell people to move out of the area (it is extremely unlikely that any opposing force in the area would have posed an imminent risk of severe harm to Israeli civilians). They chose not to. They chose to fire missiles at an area they had not evacuated, and in which in fact they had created a high civilian population density.

They are responsible for that decision.

When you fire a missile somewhere, you are responsible for what that missile does. Things like "if this hits something flammable..." need to be factored into that decision to fire the missile. And tents, cooking equipment, and civilian populations in general are quite flammable.

I read that Israel used precision bombing 100ft outside the humanitarian area to target a Hamas base. The munitions that detonated inside the camp were in a Hamas vehicle. A Jeep to be precise.

I imagine a vehicle packed with explosives would cause massive damage in an area filled with tents.

Why on earth was it there among civilians?

Absolutely disgusting.

Lots on Twitter about it including videos.

yumyum33 · 29/05/2024 15:13

yumyum33 · 29/05/2024 15:12

I don't know why more people don't say exactly this.

Sorry, that was to Yankee Dad with whom i agree. Stupid hasty fingers.

yumyum33 · 29/05/2024 15:12

I don't know why more people don't say exactly this.

PearlKoala · 29/05/2024 13:24

YankeeDad · 29/05/2024 13:08

Well, HAMAS has clearly conveyed through its actions that they think putting weapons caches in refugee camps, using aid payments to dig tunnels and buy rockets, putting command and control centers in and under hospitals, mosques, and schools, and where they can, killing, raping, torturing and abducting Israeli civilians is a perfectly legitimate way to “resist”. And that they will do this again and again, if they can.

What specific suggestions to you have for how Israel can legitimately and fairly defend themselves against those sorts of tactics?

Or are you in effect saying that Israelis have a moral duty to let HAMAS keep doing that again and again, because due to HAMAS tactics, there is simply no way to stop HAMAS without killing Palestinian civilians?

I'm not sure tbh, I'm not a military bod but bombing a refugee camp, a place you yourself decided was a safe zone, going against the ICJ, beheading children and burning them alive to kill 2 members of a terrorist organisation can never be OK can it? What Hamas are convinced of shouldn't really come into how other people should place their morals.

Of course I'm not saying Israel have a moral duty to let Hamas do it over again but there has to be a line doesn't there? For most people burning children alive in the tents you made them live in would be a pretty clear line. I think that people need to be really careful that they aren't turning in the very people they despise and when it gets to a point that you are trying to argue that beheading refugee children is fine if it protects other people from an attack that may never happen then you need to take a look at how far gone you have let yourself go.

therealcookiemonster · 29/05/2024 13:22

and for those using the human shields argument, the only organisation using human shields is the IDF who have an official policy to do so. this is widely documented

eg. by this Israeli human rights organisation

https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields

ConnieCounter · 29/05/2024 13:20

YankeeDad · 29/05/2024 12:39

Are Israeli lives worth less than Palestinian lives?

If Hamas systematically builds weapons caches in and beneath civilian sites, and then uses them to kill Israelis whenever they can, than what options does that leave Israel other than kill, to let themselves be killed, or to organise for the emigration of 100% of the Jewish population to … where?

Edited

No, bombing a weapons cache in a refugee camp is not the way to deal with that situation.

You also have to try to drag yourself into the real world, where Israel has a multi-billion military backed by the US and Hamas has fuck all in comparison. And Israel has killed over 35,000 people, including bombs this week that ripped the head off a baby and killed and burned hundreds of people who only have access to the most basic medical care. So the threat to both populations are not comparable.

therealcookiemonster · 29/05/2024 13:18

YankeeDad · 29/05/2024 13:08

Well, HAMAS has clearly conveyed through its actions that they think putting weapons caches in refugee camps, using aid payments to dig tunnels and buy rockets, putting command and control centers in and under hospitals, mosques, and schools, and where they can, killing, raping, torturing and abducting Israeli civilians is a perfectly legitimate way to “resist”. And that they will do this again and again, if they can.

What specific suggestions to you have for how Israel can legitimately and fairly defend themselves against those sorts of tactics?

Or are you in effect saying that Israelis have a moral duty to let HAMAS keep doing that again and again, because due to HAMAS tactics, there is simply no way to stop HAMAS without killing Palestinian civilians?

can someone please explain how hamas managed to get a weapons cache into this so called safe zone, cleared and guarded by idf? either the idf are incompetent or someone is telling porkies. given the current record, I would go for the latter

also so far not one little bit of evidence of this weapons cache

remember when they said that the wfk strike was by hamas? how they shot those poor Israeli hostages because they thought they were hamas? how they apparently found guns in the mri room?😂when they put out a photo of a white board from al shifa hospital which they said contained terrorist names but was actually the rota for the doctors? when they used a clip from a Lebanese TV drama as evidence that hamas was in hospitals? I could go on....

someone can only make so many "tragic mistakes" before it starts sounding intentional and after a certain point, if someone keeps lying you have to start taking what they say with a pinch of salt.

YankeeDad · 29/05/2024 13:11

crumblingschools · 29/05/2024 13:00

@YankeeDad if a terrorist was hiding in your child’s school would you accept that the school needed to be blown up and destroyed with your child and all other children in it?

Of course not. I would become very angry and I might even join the terrorists.

This is precisely why HAMAS terrorists deliberately hide in schools. And hide their weapons there. And build their command centers underneath schools rather than underneath auto repair shops.

I am not saying that what Israel is doing is right. What I am saying, though, is that by lining up in defense of the civilians while ignoring what the terrorists are doing, we are playing right into their hands.

YankeeDad · 29/05/2024 13:08

PearlKoala · 29/05/2024 12:53

It really feels like we have gone full circle when people are arguing that beheading and burning children alive is an OK way to 'defend' yourself.

Well, HAMAS has clearly conveyed through its actions that they think putting weapons caches in refugee camps, using aid payments to dig tunnels and buy rockets, putting command and control centers in and under hospitals, mosques, and schools, and where they can, killing, raping, torturing and abducting Israeli civilians is a perfectly legitimate way to “resist”. And that they will do this again and again, if they can.

What specific suggestions to you have for how Israel can legitimately and fairly defend themselves against those sorts of tactics?

Or are you in effect saying that Israelis have a moral duty to let HAMAS keep doing that again and again, because due to HAMAS tactics, there is simply no way to stop HAMAS without killing Palestinian civilians?

crumblingschools · 29/05/2024 13:00

@YankeeDad if a terrorist was hiding in your child’s school would you accept that the school needed to be blown up and destroyed with your child and all other children in it?

therealcookiemonster · 29/05/2024 13:00

If anyone is believing israel's excuses at this stage, after so many obvious lies then there is nothing to say

also as usual their "explanations" are full of discrepancies and contradictions

Finallyloggedin · 29/05/2024 12:58

Tel12 · 29/05/2024 12:54

I was wondering when they would start saying that they were responsible. It's just so predictable.

This, exactly this. From the first hospital they bombed back in October, the routine is the same each and every time.

Tel12 · 29/05/2024 12:54

I was wondering when they would start saying that they were responsible. It's just so predictable.

PearlKoala · 29/05/2024 12:53

YankeeDad · 29/05/2024 12:39

Are Israeli lives worth less than Palestinian lives?

If Hamas systematically builds weapons caches in and beneath civilian sites, and then uses them to kill Israelis whenever they can, than what options does that leave Israel other than kill, to let themselves be killed, or to organise for the emigration of 100% of the Jewish population to … where?

Edited

It really feels like we have gone full circle when people are arguing that beheading and burning children alive is an OK way to 'defend' yourself.