Petition for the United Kingdom to recognise the state of Palestine

This.

Whilst their is a conflict raging. Sort the release of the hostages and get around the table for ceasefire negotiations first.

@therealcookiemonster
'I think the women in gaza are far more worried about not being bombed by the oh so moral and democratic bomb of Israel'.....
If it wasn't for the air defence over Israel, I rather think that the women in Israel would be very worried about being bombed by Hamas. Hamas regularly sends rockets to Israel but they are taken down before they can do any damage. In the meantime, I think that women and girls are staying away from music festivals....

Yes I don't think this petition (rightfully ) will gain traction.

No. It's not a state and never was and it has a terrorist organisation ruling it.

Countries can recognise any state they like but this is merely political posturing and it is not really up to them.
And it won't happen until Hamas disband and a non terrorist regime se up in Gaza . Gaza itself won't be called a state as it is run by a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Thanks for sharing this - I was delighted to see there was a petition for it here. It was momentous when Ireland, Norway and Spain recognised Palestine; and their Ambassador was very moving in expressing his joy when the UN voted in favour of Palestine. The news conference given by the Irish Leaders was superb when they announced it. Small glimmers of hope - I hope it brings a moment of comfort to those poor civillians who must be feeling so desolate in Palestine.

Don't you think Israel ignoring both areas would be better than what Israel have been doing? I think Palestinians would feel a heck of a lot safer knowing that the IDF won't break into their house in the middle of the night and take their sons or that settlers won't decide that they want their land and hassle them until they leave. They wouldn't have to ask and be denied permission to build houses and school and Wells or collect rainwater. I think it would be a huge sigh of relief for them to actually feel safe, properly safe for once.

I don't know where this idea comes from that Palestinians want to rely on Israel? Israel have been bombing their infrastructure for years, stunting their development for years, Israel have been purposefully restricting their economy for years. Imagine no more meddling, you can build a medical centre and have it stay there, you can import all of the medicines and medical equipment that you need, Drs are free to come and go, something so simple that we take for granted but something that Israel have denied the people of Gaza for a long time. Those restrictions gone, how fantastic would that be!

There is no guarantee that Israel won't attack Palestinians in the future either, no guarantee that settlers would accept it and behave graciously, they have been furiously trying to block aid and starve people while salivating over the idea of homes in Gaza for the past few months, these are not stable people. There will need to be a leap of faith on both behalfs.

Recognising that something exists is an important step towards defining it.

And yes, Israel should stop occupying the West Bank and give that land back to the Palestinians.

Gaza, the West Bank, international recognition, a vote at the UN, protection against further aggression and occupation... sounds like a better deal than oppression, occupation and death.

The thing about recognising a Palestinian state is the question of it’s borders etc. lets say every country in the world recognises a Palestinian state except Israel the best Palestinians could hope for is the Gaza strip and parts of the West Bank. No-one could seriously impel Israel to cede territory to the nascent Palestinian state.

They could in theory, build a giant wall, create a DMZ and basically ignore both areas. They would be well within their rights to not lift a finger for Gaza or the west bank, they would be a separate country after all and not the responsibility of Israel.

I would hope a path to a 2 state solution would still be a possibility at some point. Maybe this could encourage that, I don’t know but the reality is there is no guarantee about the government of that entity and no guarantee that a further attack isn’t launched and no guarantee that Israel wouldn’t react with the same force it’s used now.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/state-attorney-says-police-wrong-to-arrest-blindfold-woman-over-online-posts/

I think the women in gaza are far more worried about not being bombed by the oh so moral and democratic bomb of Israel

And will the Knesset be purged of those who have openly supported Netanyahu in his actions - or will it only be Netanyahu who is the fall guy?

@Tryonemoretime
If the Palestinians see international acceptance that Gaza and the WB are their “state” - won’t this mean they are less likely to accept a Hamas mark 2 ? If you’re worried about free elections- there can be peace keeping troops to support this.

Right but should we get rid of Israels statehood until they do and until they prove that their new government is more to our tastes, get rid of all settlements and end their illegal occupations and blockades? Because again that is what you are suggesting for Palestinians, that they earn their statehood by performing in a way you approve of.

Please can you provide a link for that?

Netanyahu might well be defeated in the next election. The populace have the freedom to consign him to history if they want to.

I don't really understand your point tbh? I wouldn't want to live in Israel under their government but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a recognised state. Israel have freely promised the starvation of Palestinians and are carrying it out but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a recognised state.

Do you think we should take away Israels statehood and force them to earn it back by behaving in ways that we approve of because that is what you are suggesting we force Palestinians to do. Behave in a way we approve of in order to have a state.

Thing is, it would be a brave person willing to vote against Hamas even if there were elections. Other strong Islamic states aren't known for free elections.....

That's not for us to judge though.
If Palestine was a state and there were free elections, freedom to travel, freedom to control their own borders, their own imports and exports that had the freedom of self determination thier who knows who they'd vote for to govern. I am not sure why you would think they would be better under Israeli rule?

Or is it only SOME women?

What about the lady who recently voiced her opinion in Israel and was bound and blindfolded and lead away? That does not look to me like a woman is safe to have her opinion.

And the answer to my questions?
Because you can be a woman free to work and voice your opinions under Israeli law and you can watch your girls grow up to be free. You can be as gay as you want to be under Israeli leadership. There is precious little freedom under Hamas government.

Before signing any petition, ask yourself 3 questions: would you want to be a woman with Hamas in charge of your country? And would you want to be gay under Hamas leadership? And do Hamas really care for its people? If so, why have they never used their tunnels as bomb shelters for civilians?
We're all appalled seeing the suffering in Gaza (I see my grandchildren's faces in the injured children being rushed into hospital and it makes me want to weep) but Hamas has freely promised that there will be more October 7ths. They won't rest until every Jew is killed.