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IDF airstrikes reportedly carried out on 'humanitarian area'

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Scirocco · 26/05/2024 22:18

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

The IDF have reportedly carried out airstrikes on displaced people, in an area Israel designated a 'humanitarian area'. They told people to go there, displaced people to that area, and have now reportedly bombed it.

Airstrikes on Rafah reportedly kill 30 after Hamas launches rockets at Tel Aviv

Medics in the southern Gaza city say the strikes hit an area of tents being used by displaced people.

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

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dinomirror · 28/05/2024 14:10

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

Disgusting views. You must be a despicable person

ConnieCounter · 28/05/2024 13:59

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

When your idea of urban warfare is dropping 2000lb American bombs onto residential areas then yes, civilians are going to die. You are taking these actions in the full knowledge that you are killing large numbers of civilians.

The Geneva conventions were introduced so that the outrageous atrocities of WWII could never be repeated. And here you are, acting as though large scale bombings of cities is noble!

HappierTimesAhead · 28/05/2024 13:40

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

You are completely deluded. You simply cannot compare what is happening in Gaza right now to what happened during WW2. Stop calling this a war when the power imbalance is so huge. Your argument allows for Israel to kill every single person in Gaza until Hamas is 'eradicated'. You support Genocide.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 13:39

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

it’s exactly what they want.

More fool Israel then. Mighty Israel backed by America in the power of Hamas, while losing the respect of the world.

As for war is war. That’s from uncivilised Hell that we were supposed to be moving away from. Hiroshima is fine as long as they can’t nuke you back etc.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 13:32

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 12:02

New independent satellite imagery of the camp 'before and after' the airstrike

https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/05/28/240528_planet_labs_LBC.mp4

You can pretty much decide for yourself if the airstrike was 'on' or 'near' the tents- if you go with 'near' that'll be so 'near' that they're almost touching

Guess that this will be the defence tho' - like the Iranian embassy strike

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 12:02

New independent satellite imagery of the camp 'before and after' the airstrike

https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/05/28/240528_planet_labs_LBC.mp4

https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/05/28/240528_planet_labs_LBC.mp4

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 11:22

Parkingt111 · 27/05/2024 22:03

Yes it's not OK
So sorry Ella
Imagine if us brits were collectively labelled and called similar because of our governments involvement in other wars.

Yes, agreed. There are so many Jewish people who want to live safely in security but who not agree with how Netanyahu is conducting this war, and who do want a peaceful solution.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 11:16

mollyfolk · 28/05/2024 08:28

Ok, I’m not getting that quote from the Z Irish times . It’s this

The White House described the incident as ‘heartbreaking.’ “Israel has a right to go after Hamas, but as we’ve been clear, Israel must take every precaution possible to protect civilians. We are actively engaging the [Israel Defense Forces] and partners on the ground to assess what happened,” said a spokesman for the National Security Council spokesperson.

I got that quote from the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7228x974lxo

I do not think the BBC would misquote
the U.S. official.

Palestinians inspect the damage after an Israeli army raid on a camp at an area designated for displaced people in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip.

Israel Gaza: Netanyahu vows to continue war amid air strike condemnation

At least 45 people were killed in a strike on Rafah, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7228x974lxo

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 11:11

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 10:20

Been looking for details of how many people were injured - the hospitals in Rafah are in total disarray/not functioning/surrounded by fighting so maybe more difficult than 'usual' to gather the information - the only estimated figure I've seen is 240 plus [Al Jazeera] appalling if true

On the BBC website last night, I saw that MSF mentioned they had treated 180 wounded. What I am not sure is who else is there also helping. If there are other medical agencies also treating people, there are more wounded.

ilovevinyl · 28/05/2024 11:11

Alwayslookonthe · 27/05/2024 14:32

I understand the raw emotion about this strike. It is horrific.

There’s much we don’t know. What we do know is important, though.

Senior Hamas combatants were the targets and were killed in the strike. Meaning the target was likely legitimate.

The question was the proportionality analysis done. That’s not something we know.

IHL expects civilian casualties, it does not demand that you eliminate them all together. It does demand you mitigate them to the best of your ability.

And that’s the question that must be answered.

There is no justification for this at all

blurry5205 · 28/05/2024 11:08

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HappierTimesAhead · 28/05/2024 11:05

BorgQueen · 27/05/2024 21:48

They weren’t targetting the refugee camp 🙄 They targetted a Hamas weapons dump, which caused the fire when the munitions exploded. Blame Hamas for deliberately putting civilians in harms way, again.
Hamas will happily sacrifice every single Palestinian Woman and child for their ‘cause’, which is to destroy Israel.

This post is utterly disgusting. The fact that you think it is appropriate to use the roll eyes emoji in the context of babies being burned alive says a lot about you. As if we should all just accept that bombing civilians is okay if we say that Hamas/Hamas weaponry was suspected to be there. IT DOESN'T MATTER! If Hamas were hiding in my children's school right now it would not make it okay to bomb the school. You know this. You don't care. You think those children are collateral.

therealcookiemonster · 28/05/2024 10:59

Grandmasswagbag · 28/05/2024 09:13

The daily death toll in Gaza is higher than any other 21st century armed conflict. I'm not sure how that equates to far less civilians being killed than any other conflict? And clearly there's no sign of the conflict stopping any time soon. God knows what the eventual toll could be.

let's not forget that thousands more buried under the rubble haven't been counted, and may never be found and identified.

therealcookiemonster · 28/05/2024 10:56

The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.

I can only assume this poster doesn't know what numbers or percentages are. all neighbouring countries host a multitude of Palestinian refugees. the crossing to Egypt is currently closed by Israel. but again facts can't stand against delusion.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 10:49

Think that MSF are working out of a field hospital in Al Mawasi

Medical workers in Gaza ‘exhausted’ and their message is not getting through, the MSF chief has said.

When asked about the types and extent of injuries arising out of an Israeli airstrike in Rafah that left at least 45 people dead, Dr Christos Christou, the Médecins Sans Frontières International president, says his organisation’s medical facility received more than 128 patients, some of whom, after being stabilised, have nowhere to turn for further surgical treatment.

Christou says he and MSF staff are exhausted and the message – that medical aid and the ability to transfer patients out of Gaza for treatment is desperately needed – is not getting through

Gaza | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gaza

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 10:20

Been looking for details of how many people were injured - the hospitals in Rafah are in total disarray/not functioning/surrounded by fighting so maybe more difficult than 'usual' to gather the information - the only estimated figure I've seen is 240 plus [Al Jazeera] appalling if true

queenofarles · 28/05/2024 10:19

The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct,

where did you get that percentage? did you look up the War in Iraq? Ukraine Russian war?
the number of civilian death casualties in the first three years of the war combined are pretty much equal to the number of civilians killed in GAZA in the last 8 months.
Russian Ukraine war number of civilian death casualties in two years are 10,000.

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:49

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 09:46

That's quite a neat solution to the almost total fabrication in this post

I could spend a few hours debunking every bit that is false in there, but that is what they want and also a derail and also would fall on their deaf ears..

As they said the fact checked info is out there,…it just isn’t any of the so called facts they listed.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 09:46

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:22

Public Service Announcement

The strikethrough bits are all false…

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?
Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.
It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

That's quite a neat solution to the almost total fabrication in this post

allthingsred · 28/05/2024 09:25

The idea that people can try to defend this in anyway is incomprehendable.

Are you seeing what is out there?
A parent holding their decapitated child?
Children scooping the body parts of their siblings into plastic bags?
And people think its ok?
Terrifying & frankly pyschopathic

I said at the start of this..it was world changing..is it?..i dont know. But my view of the world has changed watching this. My eyes are now open to how our media & goverment works. Sadly very few people in either industry are coming up fair & uncorrupted

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:22

Public Service Announcement

The strikethrough bits are all false…

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?
Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.
It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

Auvergne63 · 28/05/2024 09:15

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 09:07

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?

Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.

It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

I don't know where to start, except to say that it is infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the against humanity side , even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

Grandmasswagbag · 28/05/2024 09:14

Like others have suggested I can only assume MN has been infiltrated by bots..there's so much rubbish posted here.

headstone · 28/05/2024 09:14

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