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IDF airstrikes reportedly carried out on 'humanitarian area'

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Scirocco · 26/05/2024 22:18

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

The IDF have reportedly carried out airstrikes on displaced people, in an area Israel designated a 'humanitarian area'. They told people to go there, displaced people to that area, and have now reportedly bombed it.

Airstrikes on Rafah reportedly kill 30 after Hamas launches rockets at Tel Aviv

Medics in the southern Gaza city say the strikes hit an area of tents being used by displaced people.

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

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Limesodaagain · 28/05/2024 17:00

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

Yes - you are right- terrible things always happen in war . But are you suggesting that armies we support should be free from scrutiny or criticism? I understand that this is a very complex conflict and lots of factors to consider but try as I might I cannot see how it is ok to bomb homeless civilians in tents . I deplore Hamas and behaving in this way creates support for extremists like Hamas.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 16:53

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:42

I thought the worst pain I could ever feel was holding my child for the last time and having to let go. But for a mother to have to do that like that... It's like something from a nightmare.

Unimaginable, I am very, very sorry.💐

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 16:49

@Scirocco I'm so sorry for all the pain it's bringing back. I just can't imagine how painful it would be. We have to have faith in Allah SWT and trust He will punish those who are actively complicit and responsible for this massacre.

Limesodaagain · 28/05/2024 16:47

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:28

For people who don't like to click on links.

Unspeakable. I’m not sure what can be left in this world for this poor woman . I hope she is surrounded by people who care.

EllaDisenchanted · 28/05/2024 16:47

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:28

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💔no mother should have to feel that pain

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:42

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 16:30

@Scirocco it really is. I can't imagine her pain and the fact she knew it would be her last hug with them. That's heartbreaking.

I'm sure someone will be a long in a minute to say we're being too emotional and that the video and testimony is fake.

When you can see these things without feeling any sort of compassion then you know all of humanity is lost.

I thought the worst pain I could ever feel was holding my child for the last time and having to let go. But for a mother to have to do that like that... It's like something from a nightmare.

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Dulra · 28/05/2024 16:38

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:28

For people who don't like to click on links.

That is heartbreaking. I cannot begin to imagine her pain and grief it is beyond anything I could comprehend 💔It is a living nightmare in Rafah right now. I hope they can find strength and hope from somewhere to keep going. I honestly don't think I could

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 16:30

@Scirocco it really is. I can't imagine her pain and the fact she knew it would be her last hug with them. That's heartbreaking.

I'm sure someone will be a long in a minute to say we're being too emotional and that the video and testimony is fake.

When you can see these things without feeling any sort of compassion then you know all of humanity is lost.

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:28

For people who don't like to click on links.

IDF airstrikes reportedly carried out on 'humanitarian area'
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Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:26

That is the stuff of nightmares, @anotherlevel .

To anyone who looks at this and sees collateral damage, justifiable action, please read this. Please look at your own children, who you no doubt love dearly. Please place yourself in that mother's shoes.

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anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 16:18

A testimony of a mother from the attack. 💔💔💔💔

www.instagram.com/p/C7g9iQYIyFF/?igsh=MXdmMG95NGcwdDY3bA==

MyGreenFinch · 28/05/2024 16:14

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

There was plenty of debate even prior to the end of WWII about the Allied firebombing of German cities and whether it could be justified. Your assertion that the alternative was surrender suggests that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 15:56

“There are no hospitals in Rafah. All the injured and the dead bodies have been transferred to the International Medical Corps field hospital. There are no ambulances.”

No ambulances because there's no fuel

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ConnieCounter · 28/05/2024 15:04

Wow. They really don't give a shit how many Palestinians they kill. The IDF are savages. This is very distressing news. God help them all.

HappierTimesAhead · 28/05/2024 15:02

It will make no difference to what happens next but I sense a real shift in public opinion. I see people posting on SM who have never posted about Gaza before. The world can clearly see what is happening right now and no one will look back on this and think that the Israeli government were justified in carrying out these atrocities.

TheABC · 28/05/2024 14:57

Flimsy tents, no food and I don't think there are any hospitals left, either. The indirect death toll of this war will be horrendous.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:53

Very very sadly this is exactly what was predicted by the US [and everyone else] - a land invasion into a densely crowded area crammed with vulnerable people in flimsy flammable tents- resulting in repeated atrocities

Parkingt111 · 28/05/2024 14:47

From sky

Some 21 Palestinians have been killed and dozens wounded in new Israeli strikes on a tent area to the west of Rafah, Palestinian health officials have said.
The strikes targeted tents of displaced families in the designated humanitarian area in Mawasi in western Rafah, medics and residents told Reuters.
At least 12 of those killed were women, medical officials said.

Parkingt111 · 28/05/2024 14:43

Omg a new massacre on tents of civilians seems to have just taken place 😭😭😭

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:38

Posting this here as well

Israeli army says it used small munitions in Rafah airstrike, and fire was caused by secondary blast

The Israeli military says an initial investigation into a strike that sparked a deadly weekend fire in a tent camp in the southern Gaza city of Rafah has found the blaze was caused by a secondary explosion.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the chief military spokesman, said Tuesday that the military fired two 17-kilogram (37-pound) munitions that targeted two senior Hamas militants. He said the munitions would have been too small to ignite a fire on their own and the military is looking into the possibility that weapons were stored in the area.

These sounds more likely than 2000lb bombs no massive craters on satellite images above or is this the rumoured Hamas ammunition dump?

There will be lots of eye-witnesses so hope they are interviewed too

blackcherryconserve · 28/05/2024 14:35

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

100% agree BorgQueen

blackcherryconserve · 28/05/2024 14:34

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Whatever is happening now is NOT a Holocaust. Millions, yes millions, of innocent civilians, mainly Jews, were exterminated in concentration camps during the Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis during WW2.

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 14:22

@queenofarles "mistakes" that they never seem to learn from.

queenofarles · 28/05/2024 14:17

-Flour Massacre 117 dead , IDF response ? Mistake

-shooting and killing of Hind and the Red Crescent aids dispatched to save her ? Mistake

-targeting and killing of 7 foreign aid workers?mistake.
— hospitals Mass graves , at least 392 Civilians , mistake.

  • St Porphyrius church air strike, 18 people killed , mistake.

, thats just a drop of many "Mistakes" in matter of months , Not years . They are not collateral damage , they are collective punishment, carried out with precision.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:11

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

Second call for 'Bingo'

'Collateral''

Collateral damage is a military euphemism for killing civilians albeit creeping into the everyday language of some posters on MN

So call it what it is 'killing civilians'

It is de-humanising in either context and therefore unwelcome and deeply unpleasant

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