"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

It isn’t the horror of what’s happening in Gaza that is causing issues. It is our governments support for it.

It is right that we are scared of a government that can support actions like this, they already demonise and refuse to support minority groups in our own country. If we don’t speak up against it then what is next.

I believe the Jews have a right to a state of their own, but not on Palestinian land. Palestinians also have that right to security & selfdetermination, yes? So where should we establish their state?

Hector the Helicopter is a character from a children's book. Statistics beat innuendos everytime. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hector-Helicopter-Arthur-W-Baldwin/dp/0603556027

You have already been told further up the thread that a Zionist is someone who believes that the state of Israel has the right to exist.

Please explain why.

Again, insinuating things I haven't said. Why shouldn't Palestinians be allowed the right to return to their pre-Nakba lands? I don't find Israel's 'right to exist' inherently 'evil', I find the carpetbombing of 2 million people, resulting in a 100,000 maimed & slaughtered civilians over 6 months evil. That some on here seem quite indifferent or even approving of that very much embodies the 'banality of evil'.

My definition of a Zionist is someone who refuses Palestinians the right to an independent state & who denies them the right to return to their properties pre-Nakba.

I'm afraid that you have got it terribly wrong then, luv.

I don't need to say anything to prove my case. Many Israelis have already done it for me. I don't deny Hamas uses unacceptable antisemitic rhetoric, but our government isn't providing logistical & diplomatic support for them, is it? Besides, 'plausible' genocide is ultimately a worse crime than terrorism, whatever the provocation. EXCERPT: 'In some instances, Netanyahu directly called for the mass killings of the Palestinians in besieged Gaza.
In others, he used religious references to dehumanise the Palestinians, a tactic often used by fascists throughout history in order to make it easier for the people to accept the massacres being carried out against opponents.
"Gaza is the city of evil, we will turn all the places in which Hamas deploys and hides into ruins. I am telling the people of Gaza — get out of there now. We will act everywhere and with full power," Netanyahu said on October 13.
"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible," he said on October 28. Netanyahu continued: "We remember, and we are fighting … our soldiers are part of a legacy of Jewish warriors that goes back 3,000 years."
Israeli military soldiers, too, have also been caught showing genocidal intent and collective punishment ambitions in Gaza.
An example of that was an image taken by an IDF soldier of an artillery shell that had a text written on it in Hebrew: "God Willing, it will hit innocent people."
"One of the options is to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza. I pray & hope for their [hostages] return, but there is also a price in war," Amichai Eliyahu, Israeli Minister of Heritage, wrote on X.
"Those are animals, they have no right to exist. I am not debating they way it will happen, but they need to be exterminated," argued Yoav Kisch, Israeli Minister of Education.
"Bring down buildings!! Bomb without distinction!! Stop with this impotence. You have ability. There is worldwide legitimacy! Flatten Gaza. Without mercy! This time, there is no room for mercy!," wished Revital Gottlieb, a member of the Israeli Knesset.' www.trtworld.com/middle-east/database-exposes-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza-16537146

A zionist is someone who believes that the Jewish state of Israel has the right to exist. I'm sorry you find that so evil.

Obviously these statistics are horrific and people should know about them. But, if we stick to the thread topic, it’s important that the horror of what’s happening in Gaza doesn’t cause violence, mistrust, fear and anger for people living here. The links above demonstrate how anger and fear is being spread in communities here. That doesn’t help the people in Gaza or the hostages .

I agree - both sides have objectionable people and things escalate quickly in an emotional environment like this 😣

My definition of a Zionist is someone who refuses Palestinians the right to an independent state & who denies them the right to return to their properties pre-Nakba. I stand with prominent Jewish antizionists like Norman Finklestein, Gideon Levy, Barnaby Raine & many, many others who denounce Israel as an apartheid state.

@HectortheHelicopter Thank you for sharing those figures - children are suffering every day in Palestine, and it is a sad state of affairs when users of a parenting forum find it in their hearts to deny, minimise or ignore that.

Between 2008 until October the 6th 2023 , Israel killed 1500 Palestinian children, nearly 7000 Palestinians overall. Over same time period, 321 Israelis were killed, inlcuding 21 kids. Since the conflict began, Isreal has killed over 450X more children than those murdered on October 7th by Hamas. People are entitled to know this, Mumsnet. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Zionists really are bricking themselves

What's your definition of a Zionist because you have used it multiple times?

Hatespeech? Because I cited the actual casualty numbers? Zionists really are bricking themselves. SAVE THE CHILDREN: 'RAMALLAH, 4 April 2024 – Nearly 26,000 children – or just over two percent of Gaza’s child population - have been killed or injured in Gaza in six months of a war which has decimated the health system and severed access to education, Save the Children said.
Since the 7 October attacks in which 33 children were killed in Israel, more than 13,800 children have been killed in Gaza and 113 in the West Bank, and over 12,009 children have been injured in Gaza and at least 725 children in the West Bank, according to the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) and the Ministry of Health in Gaza. UNICEF has reported at least 1,000 children have had one or both legs amputated, and about 30 out of 36 hospitals have been bombed, leaving only 10 partially functioning.
Attacks on ambulances, medical aid convoys and access roads have decimated Gaza’s health system and undermined access to healthcare at the time when the 1.1 million children in Gaza need it most.'

Figures on casualties since 2008, excluding post- October 7th. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties TLDR: 1560 Palestinians kids,632 women, 4700 men; 26 Israeli kids, 42 women, 258 men. Israel kills far, far more Palestinians, including civilians, during 'peacetime' too. It's not a 'blood libel', it's numbercrunching. Perhaps the Zionists on this site can explain why the 'good guys' are so much more reckless than, say, Putin ( 500 Ukrainian children dead over 2 years) when it comes to treating children as collateral damage. Israel are currently killing civilians are roughly 1/6 the rate that Pol Pot exterminated Cambodians. Again, they're the numbers, not some AS trope. But the Zionists don't want to deal with the reality, they want to shut down debate.

I guess SAVE THE CHILDREN are AS now: 'RAMALLAH, 4 April 2024 – Nearly 26,000 children – or just over two percent of Gaza’s child population - have been killed or injured in Gaza in six months of a war which has decimated the health system and severed access to education, Save the Children said.
Since the 7 October attacks in which 33 children were killed in Israel, more than 13,800 children have been killed in Gaza and 113 in the West Bank, and over 12,009 children have been injured in Gaza and at least 725 children in the West Bank, according to the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) and the Ministry of Health in Gaza. UNICEF has reported at least 1,000 children have had one or both legs amputated, and about 30 out of 36 hospitals have been bombed, leaving only 10 partially functioning.
Attacks on ambulances, medical aid convoys and access roads have decimated Gaza’s health system and undermined access to healthcare at the time when the 1.1 million children in Gaza need it most.'

And for the benefit of others

@HectortheHelicopter was rehashing the blood libel

@Mummy2024

What you say is not true & people can read that for themselves.

You've clearly got yourself wound up & are unable to read / think properly.

I don't care what your opinions are.

And I don't know why you ever started talking to me, then singling me out in the first place!

So bizarre.

Please do walk away & stay away from me.

Why are you stereotyping? You claim I am talking about the group as whole? When have I ever said that? and when have I complained about anyone speaking out? I've complained about being unfairly labelled... there's a difference. You are stereotyping and then putting that onto me, I have not done that. I speak about individuals who choose to unfairly label and you are one of those people.

I made 1 mistake only one and even that was not antisemitic. It was a badly worded comment and even that had an explanation that i accepted the formal definition that was decided by Jewish groups and leaders. I've been treated terribly for caring about innocent women and children, I've been unfairly labelled on numerous posts by numerous individuals but that is what they are individuals, with individual opinions, faith does not come into it, so please do stop trying to paint a false narrative about me.

My opinion on what is happening in palastine hasn't changed.... and there are countless countries, people and world leaders who all feel the same. I don't accept the label you've tried to give to me or your view of my words. I am the most inclusive and accepting person you will likely ever talk to. Everyone has the right to a free and happy life. I don't know why I am letting individuals, upset me to be honest. It's time to walk away from this conversation.