"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

@ConnieCounter I did not state you could not post!

What I did say was it was bizarre that you said @Marjoriefrobisher was incorrect when she was right. Behove is the correct way to spell it whether you like it or not. What I did not like was you making a personal attack on the poster by calling her snarky.

@ConnieCounter , @Marjoriefrobisher was actually correct. The UK spelling is behove.

And I agree with @Marjoriefrobisher - calling her comment snarky when so many comments have been deleted on this thread about certain views is a strange reaction .

Shouldn't you be more concerned that so many comments professing a certain opinion have been deleted?

Edited to add the word "more."

I can understand why , in the trauma and terror of the current conflict, some (many?) Gazans support Hamas - because they haven’t got ANYTHING else and are intensely vulnerable, traumatised and afraid.
But for people who are living in safety it is disgraceful not to see how Hamas has contributed to the horror for everyone in the region.

I personally class all indiscriminate violence and killing against civilians for political reasons as terrorism.

October 7th - terrorism
IDF in Gaza for the last six months - terrorism

Neither of these are right or justified.

The last six months in Gaza are in my opinion terrorism wrapped up in the much more palatable words of security and war.

I feel as though I need to labour the point about Gaza more because I really haven’t heard anyone who would explicitly justify October 7th.

I imagine if this space was mostly filled with people who thought October 7th was justified I would labour that point more.

As far as I am concerned, justification of any of these acts puts your morals in the gutter.

Indeed, it is perfectly legit for Palestinians combatants to fight security forces of Israel.

This in itself is not a warcrime.

SO when you hear the label "terrorist" know it is largely untrue when applied to such activity.

Are you including October 7 in this?

Indeed, it is perfectly legit for Palestinians combatants to fight security forces of Israel.

This in itself is not a warcrime.

SO when you hear the label "terrorist" know it is largely untrue when applied to such activity.

My issue with your words is that your basicly saying two wrongs make a right, on a repeated loop. Your on the one hand saying hamas are bad but then saying so are Israel, so its partially justified or less bad as they killed less. One life is to many. You describe terrorism as a regrettable consequence in one post, like its an unfortunate side effect of illegal occupation, it isn't its a choice to do the wrong thing an unforgivable and inhumane choice that robs innocent people of their lives.

There is absolutely nothing noble about killing innocent and powerless people to achieve a political aim. The second someone has killed even one person in this manor they have lost their humanity and no amount of land or power will return that humanity and I actually fear for the people living on that land with people who made the decision to kill innocents in charge.

There are many wrongs that are being committed in this conflict but none are understandable or justifiable. Jesus told us to turn the other cheek, when we are wronged. He was telling us that returning what is done to us does not solve anything and only leads to escalation, hatred and more violence.

Lives are worth alot more than land and that needs to be realised very quickly. Both people's can have lands and this needless loss of lives will stop, with humane leadership in both States. God made this land as a home for especially for us his children, he did not make his children for this land. He values life over land and so should we.

The endless loop of retribution and anger will only bring more death and more destruction. It's been 70 years how many more years, more innocent lives lost, until an appetite for peace can be found?

"But I've never argued Hamas are going about their resistance the 'right way'..."

Look back over the last page or two and you'll find your posts deleted. Mumsnet took a very different view of a string of your posts.

"....again that doesn't disqualify them or other Palestinians to a right to armed resistance against occupation."

Except it does as explained previously. See attachment which explains it very well.

Right to resist is not an absolute right. Its a qualified, conditional one. Violate the conditions and it becomes disqualified which is what a terrorist group does.

Sneaking regardism isn't a good look for you.

@Tienne MN deleted that anti-Semitic post that the previous poster made and then said my feelings that it was anti- Semitic was an example of DARVO which is very inflammatory as you well know . It IS anti-Semitic to conflate or say things like Israel is killing when it is the Govt and military involved in the operations.

You say that Gaza is not a state but lots of countries recognise it now as you well know but it suits you to say it is a land mass on this occasion to refute my argument.

I think snarkiness is the least of the problems on this thread really isn’t it

Both spellings are correct so there's no need to be snarky about it.