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"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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keenforhelp · 23/05/2024 21:53

Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob

Pro-Israel protesters took to the streets to show they would not be intimidated after a cinema vowed to show a film about the Nova festival massacre.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

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PeasfullPerson · 25/05/2024 10:57

Mummy2024 · 25/05/2024 03:31

It is their right and for the record, I don't think a pro palastine protest should have been allowed outside this cinema. The police have powers to direct protests and they should have been used here.

I agree with this, it wasn’t the right place for a protest, it was bound to heighten tensions, even though I understand why people would want to do this.

Also, I’m not surprised that a counter protest would be held as people would be feeling quite rightly aggravated and upset.

However, I think the protest and counter protest were both bad ideas as they would have significantly raised the risk of violence and criminal behaviour, which puts everyone present in potentially immediate in danger.

I support protests that take place in a safe and sensible way. There will always in my opinion need to be a balancing act between the right to freedom of speech and the risks to the public. In this specific case I believe the risks were too high.

79Helene · 25/05/2024 09:50

SpiritAdder · 25/05/2024 01:07

“And ONE time, just one time, a group of people want to broadcast THEIR displeasure at a mob showing up inappropriately, and it's LIKE HOW DARE THEY PROTEST, COUNTER PROTEST, gees have the audacity to say "NO! STOP".

Where have you been? Just about every pro-Palestine protest has also had a pro-Israel counter protest at the same time.

And, the article says that the Israel protest got to the cinema first and then a tiny band of vastly outnumbered counter pro Palestine protest showed up later, so how can they be protesting “At a mob showing up inappropriately” when there were no pro-Palestine protesters when they started?

And, the article says that the Israel protest got to the cinema first and then a tiny band of vastly outnumbered counter pro Palestine protest showed up later, so how can they be protesting “At a mob showing up inappropriately” when there were no pro-Palestine protesters when they started?

Because the pro-Palestine protest outside the cinema was advertised very widely at least a week before. HTH.

FloorMop · 25/05/2024 09:01

Has anybody watched the film?
I understand why the local community in that area wanted to attend the screening and I think it was awful that people turned up to stop them doing that.
It is my understanding that local people would have lost family and friends in that massacre.
There is a time and place for protest and this wasn't it.

Marjoriefrobisher · 25/05/2024 08:05

ShambalaAnna · 24/05/2024 22:50

Love the headline narrative forming how outraged I should be about this. It is indeed "brilliant" that the Israelis "got their own back" on that "mob".

I am a free thinking British person.

Are you not outraged? What should the response be to people trying to prevent the screening of this film?

Marjoriefrobisher · 25/05/2024 08:03

Mummy2024 · 25/05/2024 03:25

Being Jewish doesn't mean on you get to decide, what does and doesn't constitute as being antisemitic. Being against the killing of far far to many innocent Palestinians doesn't make people a hater of Jews. You have no more right to decide what is considered antisemitic than I do. The definition has already been set

Do they do what to other groups? Would I say the same thing to a person of Muslim faith if they were trying to tell me that only they get to decide what constitutes as Islamaphobia, I absolutely would yes!

The withholding of basic supplies such as food and water to a population is considered genocide. The UK and America had to build a pier to deliver food, countries are having to drop it from the sky as it is being withheld by land....

it is generally, and rightly, accepted now that minority groups absolutely should get to define the behaviour that offends, marginalises and excludes them. Why should Jews be excluded from this principle?

Marjoriefrobisher · 25/05/2024 08:01

Auvergne63 · 24/05/2024 20:26

I wasn't talking to you.

Well that’s a relief

Auvergne63 · 25/05/2024 07:57

keenforhelp · 24/05/2024 21:54

Didn't think you would.

Good we finally agree on something.

Harassedevictee · 25/05/2024 06:57

Dulra · 24/05/2024 13:33

The head teacher asked him to be very careful not to set off the other alarm sound because they have had to set a different siren as a warning of a terrorist attack due to the marches and the enormous rise in antisemitism.
All the staff and children are terrified this might happen so setting this off inadvertently would cause huge panic

Was there a specific terror attack threat made to the school? Did the police advise them that there was and they should install an alarm? I am aware that there has been a rise in anti-semitism and Jews are rightly feeling threatened and at risk but I fail to see the benefit of frightening kids into thinking there might be a terrorist attack. Yes be vigilant be prepared but is it really appropriate to frighten children in this way?

If you can, watch the David Baddiel
documentary Jews don’t count on Channel 4 catch up

It is pre 7th October and at about 43:34 he visits his former primary school where they have security drills for attacks. This is consistent with the poster you are responding to’s account.

Mummy2024 · 25/05/2024 03:31

keenforhelp · 25/05/2024 00:07

Every week, hundreds of thousands of protestors in London, akin to a baying mob, ceasefire, from the river to the sea, anti-Semitic tropes in the ranks...

And ONE time, just one time, a group of people want to broadcast THEIR displeasure at a mob showing up inappropriately, and it's LIKE HOW DARE THEY PROTEST, COUNTER PROTEST, gees have the audacity to say "NO! STOP".

Well tough people, it's OK to protest, it's their right! Isn't it this what the Pro-Palestinians supporters proclaim on these threads?

Yes it is!

It is their right and for the record, I don't think a pro palastine protest should have been allowed outside this cinema. The police have powers to direct protests and they should have been used here.

Mummy2024 · 25/05/2024 03:25

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 24/05/2024 11:56

What makes you think it's your place to tell Jews what constitutes anti-semitism?

Do you do this to other groups? I very much doubt it.

Calling a conflict genocide doesn't make it true.

Being Jewish doesn't mean on you get to decide, what does and doesn't constitute as being antisemitic. Being against the killing of far far to many innocent Palestinians doesn't make people a hater of Jews. You have no more right to decide what is considered antisemitic than I do. The definition has already been set

Do they do what to other groups? Would I say the same thing to a person of Muslim faith if they were trying to tell me that only they get to decide what constitutes as Islamaphobia, I absolutely would yes!

The withholding of basic supplies such as food and water to a population is considered genocide. The UK and America had to build a pier to deliver food, countries are having to drop it from the sky as it is being withheld by land....

SpiritAdder · 25/05/2024 01:07

keenforhelp · 25/05/2024 00:07

Every week, hundreds of thousands of protestors in London, akin to a baying mob, ceasefire, from the river to the sea, anti-Semitic tropes in the ranks...

And ONE time, just one time, a group of people want to broadcast THEIR displeasure at a mob showing up inappropriately, and it's LIKE HOW DARE THEY PROTEST, COUNTER PROTEST, gees have the audacity to say "NO! STOP".

Well tough people, it's OK to protest, it's their right! Isn't it this what the Pro-Palestinians supporters proclaim on these threads?

Yes it is!

“And ONE time, just one time, a group of people want to broadcast THEIR displeasure at a mob showing up inappropriately, and it's LIKE HOW DARE THEY PROTEST, COUNTER PROTEST, gees have the audacity to say "NO! STOP".

Where have you been? Just about every pro-Palestine protest has also had a pro-Israel counter protest at the same time.

And, the article says that the Israel protest got to the cinema first and then a tiny band of vastly outnumbered counter pro Palestine protest showed up later, so how can they be protesting “At a mob showing up inappropriately” when there were no pro-Palestine protesters when they started?

Ategnatos · 25/05/2024 00:20

ShambalaAnna · 24/05/2024 23:29

Israeli aligned, might be better.

I guess I could copy The Express and do a yellow journalism about that side, but I think that was already done quite well by the Western press in the '30s. Especially in Germany.

"That side?"

keenforhelp · 25/05/2024 00:07

Every week, hundreds of thousands of protestors in London, akin to a baying mob, ceasefire, from the river to the sea, anti-Semitic tropes in the ranks...

And ONE time, just one time, a group of people want to broadcast THEIR displeasure at a mob showing up inappropriately, and it's LIKE HOW DARE THEY PROTEST, COUNTER PROTEST, gees have the audacity to say "NO! STOP".

Well tough people, it's OK to protest, it's their right! Isn't it this what the Pro-Palestinians supporters proclaim on these threads?

Yes it is!

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quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2024 00:00

actually I think you are very, very young.....

ShambalaAnna · 24/05/2024 23:50

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2024 23:41

oh you must be very old to remember that far back.

I... yes. Yes, I am.

Either way, the Lügenpresse model is effective for shaping the discourse on a topic. After all, you don't want to be on the wrong side when all the papers are editorialising how everyone should feel about the story, else some mouthbreather will deck you for forming wrongthink.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2024 23:41

ShambalaAnna · 24/05/2024 23:29

Israeli aligned, might be better.

I guess I could copy The Express and do a yellow journalism about that side, but I think that was already done quite well by the Western press in the '30s. Especially in Germany.

oh you must be very old to remember that far back.

ShambalaAnna · 24/05/2024 23:29

Ategnatos · 24/05/2024 23:19

There were Israelis there?

Israeli aligned, might be better.

I guess I could copy The Express and do a yellow journalism about that side, but I think that was already done quite well by the Western press in the '30s. Especially in Germany.

Ategnatos · 24/05/2024 23:19

ShambalaAnna · 24/05/2024 22:50

Love the headline narrative forming how outraged I should be about this. It is indeed "brilliant" that the Israelis "got their own back" on that "mob".

I am a free thinking British person.

There were Israelis there?

ShambalaAnna · 24/05/2024 22:50

Love the headline narrative forming how outraged I should be about this. It is indeed "brilliant" that the Israelis "got their own back" on that "mob".

I am a free thinking British person.

SpiritAdder · 24/05/2024 22:40

Limesodaagain · 24/05/2024 22:30

But why were they there? What did they hope to accomplish by protesting against the screening of a documentary about October 7th? No one was being forced to watch the film. It was a cinema in. Jewish area and wasn’t being widely publicised outside the area (afaik) It’s seems very spiteful to object to the screening .

I agree they shouldn’t have been there. I was just saying the media coverage wasn’t helping an already tense situation by using inflammatory language.

Limesodaagain · 24/05/2024 22:30

SpiritAdder · 24/05/2024 22:21

“Mob” but the same article stated that the Pro-Palestinian counter protesters arrived after the Pro-Israel ones and were described as:
“A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.”

”Mob” has connotations of a very large, criminally violent mass of people.
You can’t be both a tiny band that is vastly outnumbered AND be the a “mob” compared to protesters that vastly outnumber you.

But why were they there? What did they hope to accomplish by protesting against the screening of a documentary about October 7th? No one was being forced to watch the film. It was a cinema in. Jewish area and wasn’t being widely publicised outside the area (afaik) It’s seems very spiteful to object to the screening .

SpiritAdder · 24/05/2024 22:21

keenforhelp · 24/05/2024 21:57

What fanned the flames was the mob that turned up. They couldn't leave well enough alone. Not even there.

“Mob” but the same article stated that the Pro-Palestinian counter protesters arrived after the Pro-Israel ones and were described as:
“A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.”

”Mob” has connotations of a very large, criminally violent mass of people.
You can’t be both a tiny band that is vastly outnumbered AND be the a “mob” compared to protesters that vastly outnumber you.

ohthejoys21 · 24/05/2024 22:21

SpaceLaser · 24/05/2024 07:02

It’s not until events like those of October 7 happen at British music festivals or in quiet English villages that people will see what is truly disgusting.

Absolutely.

keenforhelp · 24/05/2024 21:57

SpiritAdder · 24/05/2024 21:55

The news doesn’t seem to be helping though, by using words like “get their own back” and “mob” isn’t that fanning the flames?

What fanned the flames was the mob that turned up. They couldn't leave well enough alone. Not even there.

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SpiritAdder · 24/05/2024 21:55

Limesodaagain · 24/05/2024 21:37

Yes - it tells you how vulnerable, angry and fearful people are becoming.

The news doesn’t seem to be helping though, by using words like “get their own back” and “mob” isn’t that fanning the flames?

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