New Hamas video of hostages

Mummy2024 How is it going to be done 'within the reasons of international law'? Seriously 😒.
Hamas is hanging on to the remaining 100+ hostages for dear life. If they released them today Israel would have to lay down their arms. Hamas is happy to continue the war at the expense of Palestinian civilians.

Whilst this might be true, should 15000 children be sacrificed to change it? There's no better way to get rid of Hamas?

No amount of its all Hama's fault is going to change the fact that this mission to clear them out could have been done within the realms of international law.

If evidence is found to convict both sides of genocide they should be convicted.

Shame it won't make a bit of difference, however its symbolic more than anything so I'm still glad it's happened.

Ireland is another country, its location being in the United Kingdom makes absolutely no difference. There were negotiations and the similarities between the problems that Ireland and England faced are strikingly similar to the palastine and Israel issue.

When there is an appetite for peace there will be peace, until that time countless people on all sides will suffer at the hands of this issue. Is land worth more than lives? I don't think so, others do on both sides and until that stops more people will suffer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69055989

The UN have just demanded an immediate halt to Israeli operations in Rafah so clearly they also think there are better options

I'll answer - pretty sure I have answered before too.

They could use a lot more targeted operations against Hamas, like the ones they have successfully used in Iran and Syria. They have admitted they are not being precision in their response and they should be. That would be a way to minimise civilian casualties.

They could use more ground operations to clear and destroy the tunnels. Then they could refrain from using 200lb bombs to get to the tunnels, in inhabited areas where they know there are lots of civilians. These bombs are designed for maximum damage.

They could provide some refugee space outside the Gaza border for refugees to go into - they would know there are no tunnels there and could have more control over the people moving there across the border, so no need to attack the refugee camps. It would protect civilians and enable the IDF to operate in Gaza more easily with less risk as fewer people are there.

Finally they could comply with basic rules of law and allow food/water/medical treatment into Gaza so people aren't living in a man made famine. There is no excuse for that at all imo - it is barbaric in the 21st century.

I am glad you admit that Hamas do not respect human rights.

Elsewhere you state that what you want is a ceasefire from Israel. You might as well say that you want Israel to be sitting ducks for the terrorists for Hamas because experience shows they do not respect ceasefires.

You also suggest that you “want investigations into what appear to be war crimes”. When action has been taken against Hamas and their supporters for murder, using civilians as human shields, human rights abuses and terrorist war crimes, intention to commit genocide, their general fascism etc, then maybe we will see about investigating Israel for crimes allegedly committed whilst it defends itself. Because quite frankly, it is Hamas who are committing “some of worst acts we've ever seen”, isn’t it?

You as a doctor surely realise that it is Hamas who are creating the shocking conditions for their own citizens who used be able to go to Israel for medical treatment. But this unfortunately became difficult.

For example in 2005, Wafa Samir Ibrahim al-Biss, a 21-year-old woman from Gaza was provided with a multi-entry permit to receive care in Israel for multiple burns caused by a home gas explosion. She was stopped at a Gaza border checkpoint with 10 kilograms of explosives hidden in her underwear. Although al-Biss had been cared for on many occasions by staff at Soroka Hospital she said: “I wanted to blow myself up in the hospital. Maybe even in the one I was treated. . . . I wanted to kill 20, 50 Jews.”

That is deeply tragic, but it is not the fault of Israel. And this is who Israel is dealing with as a neighbour.

Well, we sort of had this conversation earlier in the thread about this when I used a word that I didn't know was offensive and my post was deleted. I made enquiries as to why, learned something useful, and apologised.

Yes, I "claim innocence" in the sense that I am sincerely trying to talk things through in good faith. What makes you think I am not?

It is very annoying to have posts deleted rather than challenged. It's always more productive to be given a chance to explain and/or learn.

I do dearly wish this was possible- despite my earlier post. But everything is so very raw . I think all those involved in the most heinous atrocities ( Oct 7th / Hind/ the murder of aid workers) must be held to account. You can compromise with more moderate people but not the extremists

I appreciate your answer! 😊

I think we just have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think Hamas are the least bit interested in negotiating peace. It's actually the exact opposite of their stated intentions, unfortunately.

What do you mean, I "always claim innocence"?

You said upthread you felt it was due to censorship and anti-semitism. What I meant by claiming innocence was that you don't seem to think there might be something wrong with what you're saying and how some may view it as offensive. In my experience mumsnet only delete if it has broken their talk guidelines

There has been countless posts and many contributions on news programmes I've watched making suggestions on
how Israel could legitimately have responded to 7 October. The Americans even offered their expertise in the beginning to support and advise Israel, this offer was declined.
Even if Israel didn't agree with the military tactics suggested why did they need to limit and block humanitarian aid?

What do you mean, I "always claim innocence"?

Yes, I've had quite a few posts deleted. That resulted in my account being suspended for a week. It seemed very unfair at the time as I felt misunderstood, but that's just the nature of social media I guess.

I have deleted my account more than once in frustration.

The IRA were terrorists and murdered many people and terrorised, kidnapped and tortured others. And the British government did negotiate with them . All that is true. The ANC in South Africa was also involved in violent acts of terrorism
However the October 7th attack was beyond any atrocity the IRA ( or UVF)or ANC were involved in .

The rapes, the torture and the kidnapping of civilians who were not involved ( ie not suspected of being informants etc) was beyond anything the IRA did ( and they were no angels)

I truly think that Hamas crossed a line on October 7th. I could never negotiate with someone who would kidnap babies and small children after raping and murdering their mother so I can’t really imagine the Israeli government would do that.

You seem to have had a lot of posts deleted and you said yourself you'd so many deleted you were banned. You always claim innocence but you are clearly saying something that is causing offence or else your posts wouldn't be reported or deleted.

You just said terrorists, which they have negotiated with. They have colluded with the UVF to commit murder.

Yes I doubt they've colluded with terrorists from other countries but they colluded with the UVF to murder in another country. But surely terrorists are terrorists not sure it matters whether they are from other countries or not.

This is just plain wrong. The British government did negotiate with terrorist.

I'll answer.
I admit, it's a rubbish answer though.
I don't know what I'd do if I was Israel.
It wouldn't be this though.
A ceasefire has proved to be, by far, the most successful tactic for getting hostages home though. And a very wise person once said, - you make peace with your enemies, not your friends. I think of Hamas, in a similar way to Islamic State, but however hard it is, it's not impossible to negotiate with them, as previous ceasefire and hostage release has shown.

You've missed the point. Working for human rights in Palestine involves addressing the fact that Hamas have abused those human rights. It involves challenging the issues on the ground, sometimes receiving death threats, sometimes having weapons thrust in your face. And who do you think issues some of those threats? When you accuse me of supporting terrorists, you have no idea, no idea at all, what it is like to work and campaign for human rights and health in that place or others.

If you think I haven't 'called out' Hamas enough, then you haven't read very much of what I've written on the subject.

I disagree with Mosab Hassan Youseff on his overall assertions about Islam and his views on what should happen to Muslims. I have sympathy for his trauma, but I disagree with his application of his conclusions. I respect his courage and I hope he can in time heal from his trauma; I wish people had done more to help him.

Same here. I've had posts deleting for asking, though, even though I have tried to word them carefully! the response is usually something along the lines about me being a heartless baby-murderer.

@Mummy2024 Why would you equate the misspelling of Israel and Israeli with being anti-Semitic. I didn't mention Jews.

What would be legitimate action by Israel in your view? taking into account the extensive embedding of military capability by Hamas in Gaza in civilian infrastructure and the use of tunnels to protect military personnel, move arms around and smuggle people and arms in and out. I've been trying for months to find someone who could explain this. I have not been able to find anyone in print, online or in person to explain how Israel could legitimately have responded to 7 October.

So what should Israel's tactics be? How are they meant to realistically defend their land from Hamas? No one has come up with an answer except for 'ceasefire now' that applies to Israel but Hamas will only agree to one in order to regroup and rebuild their terrorist sites.

I think I've made clear I support isreali action to defend itself but not its tactics. Rockets or no rockets my opinion remains the same.

It is an auto spell issue. however are you trying to insinuate a miss spelling of a countries name is some how antisemitic? Not everyone is great at spelling I get worse the longer I have been out of school, doesn't mean I'm antisemitic and if your trying to suggest it does that's outrageous.