New Hamas video of hostages

I’m not going to re watch the video; for obvious reasons. What in my description are you querying?

Israeli citizens aren't exactly on a picnic.

Some 200,000 Israelis have been internally displaced amid escalating skirmishes on the Lebanon border in the north with terror group Hezbollah and allied Palestinian factions, according to Israeli authorities.

In the north, Hamas ally Hezbollah, also an Iranian proxy, has fired dozens of anti-tank guided missiles, rockets, and mortars at Israeli military positions and Israeli towns since the October 7 Hamas onslaught, while also sending gunmen — some affiliated with Palestinian terror groups — to infiltrate into northern Israel.

Also the Welfare Ministry said that at least 21 children in 13 families have been left with no parents after they were murdered by terrorists during the Hamas onslaught.

Read my post again. I am pointing out that Hamas do not want peace.

You do know that Israel have tried many times to warn civilians prior to attacks. But of course, the cowardly fascists sent no warning to Israel prior to their attacks. But is that okay because Israel are more powerful, is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation, it’s a question.

What demand are you making with regard to Hamas and their breaking of international laws? Are you in favour of Hamas obeying international laws, or is that just for Israel because they have powerful friends? Is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation just a question.

You stated “Are you basicly saying it’s fine to kill the whole population “. What a bizarre thing to say. You reveal your true colours right there! You are quick to downplay the very real threats Hamas make, ignore the fact that Israel try to warn civilians, and then you claim that it is Israel who trying to eradicate all Palestinians, because that just suits your narrative. And of course, ignoring the fact that Hamas are killing their own. Interesting. Is that because your real sympathies lie with the terrorists, is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation, it’s a question.

Whilst I feel sorry for all innocents, I really do put the blame on Hamas. Without Hamas perhaps there could be peace. They do not want peace at all, and they are responsible for the suffering of their own people.

Israeli citizens aren't exactly on a picnic.

Some 200,000 Israelis have been internally displaced amid escalating skirmishes on the Lebanon border in the north with terror group Hezbollah and allied Palestinian factions, according to Israeli authorities.

In the north, Hamas ally Hezbollah, also an Iranian proxy, has fired dozens of anti-tank guided missiles, rockets, and mortars at Israeli military positions and Israeli towns since the October 7 Hamas onslaught, while also sending gunmen — some affiliated with Palestinian terror groups — to infiltrate into northern Israel.

Also the Welfare Ministry said that at least 21 children in 13 families have been left with no parents after they were murdered by terrorists during the Hamas onslaught.

Of course your allowed to be upset about October, about the current threat Israel is facing, people only get upset when people try to justify the deaths of 35000 people in 6 months, people defending famine etc.
I think your correct there is alot more sympathy for Gaza citizens and that's because they have lost their homes, children some of them their entire families and are currently starving to death. They are also not hamas and are not guilty of war crimes, hamas are.

I think this is how I feel, too. I'm sure some of my posts (like the one earlier in this thread) have been deleted because I've been assumed to be Islamophobic, which is annoying. I've had a lifetime of being totally indifferent to race or religion, and my closest friend at school was Muslim. But what's happened on and since 7 October has made me feel nervous and wary, and ashamed of feeling nervous and wary, and really fucking anxious about the way things are going. On MN at least, it feels as though compassion is entirely one-directional, and that upsets me. It's also distressing that I can't express that upset without upsetting people I don't want to upset. It's beginning to feel like humanity is trapped in some kind of cruel endgame of our own making.

@ChickyBricky "What I tend to see is people paying lip service, in passing, to the horror of the atrocities committed by Hamas, all while insisting that Israel's response is disproportionate and that the IDF are "the real terrorists."

They flood thread after thread after thread with trauma-porn images from Gaza, go into gruesome detail about the suffering of dying babies, and copy/paste comments from social media and dubious news outlets without any analysis or comment of their own, as though no one else has access to the internet and they are performing an important public broadcast service. Sometimes I can't help wondering if these are bots working in Hamas's interests, although I suppose most of it is just lazy posters bouncing around in their echo chamber."

This with gold-plated bells on ^

I suspected bots as well, especially with the plethora of posts from Quds a news outlet with links to Hamas.

MN has been asked to shut this stuff down in the interests of good taste but so far hasn't done so.

So because Hamas doesn't care and is happy to let their own civilians die Israel shouldn't either? Is this what you are saying?

Israel cannot be irradiated because it is far to powerful I point that out and you acknowlege it and instead say that it is justified because they will carry out another October? Is this correct? It's a question not a accusation.
Israel can chose to follow international law... it can stay within the rules of war to defend itself I am not against that.

@MrsAllsorts if you read through some of the other Middle East threads, you will soon see that Scirocco is one of the most balanced and fair posters on the subject, and often expresses empathy with Israeli victims.
In fact it often occurs to me, while reading through these threads, that if instead of the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu we had people like @Scirocco and @EllaDisenchanted in charge of Gaza and Israel, then we would have had a feasible peace process in place a long time ago.

There was nothing said about rape or pregnancy. Thats Israeli propaganda.

Why are some people so eager to do Hamas' PR work for them?

If I saw a child running around with a rifle my instinct would be to protect the child not use it as reason for killing children. Given the fact that 14,000 children are dead I think the suggestion that some of them could be combatants inappropriate.

@ChickyBricky In itself, the word doesn't imply anything sexual or to do with pregnancy. It's pretty clear what those 'men' were interested in, having found female captives, though.

IS / ISIS / ISIL used it as a descriptor for sex slaves. Which is disgusting.

As for the concept and history of slavery in Islam, that's a full and controversy-filled thread in itself. In brief: At the time of the Qur'an and ahadith, slavery in the non-Islamic Middle East was widespread and brutal. Islamic law set out standards for treating and liberating slaves, including encouraging people to not have slaves at all. Islam also stated that people should adhere to secular law (unless it compels someone to do something clearly un-Islamic), and international law is clear about slavery, so slavery is not acceptable. Violent misogynists won't let a little thing like actually following the teachings of their claimed faith, get in the way of being violent misogynists though. So, they go "yay, this bit here said how to treat slaves back hundreds of years ago so it must still be fine to have slaves today... oh, and we'll just forget the bits about freeing them, giving them rights, etc".

@ChickyBricky In itself, the word doesn't imply anything sexual or to do with pregnancy. It's pretty clear what those 'men' were interested in, having found female captives, though.

IS / ISIS / ISIL used it as a descriptor for sex slaves. Which is disgusting.

As for the concept and history of slavery in Islam, that's a full and controversy-filled thread in itself. In brief: At the time of the Qur'an and ahadith, slavery in the non-Islamic Middle East was widespread and brutal. Islamic law set out standards for treating and liberating slaves, including encouraging people to not have slaves at all. Islam also stated that people should adhere to secular law (unless it compels someone to do something clearly un-Islamic), and international law is clear about slavery, so slavery is not acceptable. Violent misogynists won't let a little thing like actually following the teachings of their claimed faith, get in the way of being violent misogynists though. So, they go "yay, this bit here said how to treat slaves back hundreds of years ago so it must still be fine to have slaves today... oh, and we'll just forget the bits about freeing them, giving them rights, etc".