New Hamas video of hostages

It's horrific. It should be condemned.

We've seen and watched months worth of horrific footage coming from Gaza and this video sits somewhere in the midst of this avalanche of deliberately inflicted misery and suffering. People's reactions don't occur in a vacumn. People that have seen this video have also likely seem the bodies of dismembered children, those who have starved, their mothers crying over their bloodied corpses. Poor little Hind. Those abandoned premature babies. The men found bound and shot. A huge amount of broken bodies and every kind of pain.

In the same way that the first assault on a hospital was considered horrific worldwide, but by the time of the 10th, there's more of an exhausted tragic ache, rather than the original rage. The first time we saw Israeli soldiers strip, bind and beat men, including kids and elderly, I was horrified. Now I'm just saddened.

What we have seen (on both sides) is so horrific that it takes a lot to shock. So whilst what these poor women are going through is hell and it should be condemned, I have a more visceral reaction to the ten thousand plus innocent children who have died. To those who are suffocating to death alone and in pain right now trapped beneath the rubble.

There is enough death for each if us to be horrified by different people's suffering. Its not a competition.

This what you took from the video?

What's your interpretation of it?

Are there any other instances of wholly inappropriate behaviour-perhaps exhibited by the terrorists in this video of the hostages-that you feel motivated to comment upon?

I had the misfortune of unexpectedly seeing some of the footage from an IDF base posted up by Hamas on October 7th and the level of carnage and desecration was inhuman.

Yes, I think it should be compulsory reading for anyone who thinks Israel has the upper hand. The Brits have a weakness for "the underdog" that may be based on some very distorted perceptions.

I'd just like to add that when 7 October first hit the news, I just dismissed it from my head and had an automatic reaction that favoured Palestine, which I vaguely understood to have been oppressed for decades. I'm deeply ashamed now of that oversimplification.

I find it so harrowing and barbaric

Just unconscionable

Thanks for drawing our attention to this as I had not seen it. Very thoughtful, interesting & insightful.

In the video one of the terrorists leans forward and touches his forehead to the ground. Is he actually praying amidst all the tormenting of these young girls? Unbelievable.
How anyone could view the plight of these poor girls and not feel sick for them I'll never know. Every woman must surely feel for them.
Videos like these expose the fundamental nature of Hamas men and what the Israelis are up against.

I'm not the poster(s) who started using such a thread to disparage "the left" unnecessarily. Take it up with them. As I said, I find making it about left/right wholly inappropriate.

Choosing to come onto a thread about bloodied, beaten and abused women and their desperate families to complain about how it's not fair that some of the more terrorist sympathising elements of the left wing are being unfairly disparaged and how the timing of the video's release doesn't quite suit. Give over.

It is unbearable

Anyone who is interested enough in the situation to post on this thread should read this one too.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4967191-im-a-jewish-israeli-ama

It's extremely disturbing. Even more disturbing that it's not even surprising any more.

From where I'm standing the far right element is Netanyahu and he's being ably supported by the right wing.

Left wing or central people mainly don't comment as they will get called antisemitic at the drop of a hat.

I find it disgusting it's being used to play right/left culture wars. But that's the right wing for you.

I'm not sure if you read the AMA by an Israeli woman, but she described some of these peace initiatives and how betrayed families felt when they realised the Gazan(s) they considered friends turned out to be Hamas spies who were checking out the kibbutz to help plan the attack (layout, who would be at home at various times, etc).

Just wanted to add the reason we hear Nama Levi on the video say she has friends in Gaza, is that she did, she was a peace activist. This is in the BBC report.

I think actual videos with hostages have been avoided by the main television new outlets on the whole as being disrespectful, though in this case the families have said they want it to be seen.

Has this fairly detailed BBC report been posted? It does not show the video but a still, and a photograph of Nama Levi, one of the hostages on the video, who was also shown months ago just after being captured, being pulled by her hair, with blood on her trousers and being pushed into a puck up truck. Her brother speaks of her in this BBC report.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg33j53qe31o

And this too is what I think we've all been trying to say so far.

There's clearly a blind spot.

Since everyone acknowledges the evils of Hamas, it seems the blind spot is when looking the other way... and, as suggested earlier, I think it has to do with innate prejudices about what fascism looks like (literally).

It sounded like he said "sabaya" - is that what you heard?

It seems pretty clear to me from the footage, though, what those 'men' wanted and what they took.

On the one side we have far right terrorists and on the other side we have the left defending them. It's extremely odd.

What the fuck kind of response is this? He was kept hostage for years. And he was exchanged for 1027 prisoners including terrorists and murderers, one of the released being Sinwar who is currently hiding away with the hostages in Gaza. But you know this, because you've already been told this. You just don't give a flying fuck.

What about the two soldiers kidnapped by terrorists in Lebanon? Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. Two years of negotiations and they let the terrorist and murderer Samir Kuntar and others go in exchange for them. Except, of course, the Israeli soldiers were dead. No one knew that until they were returned though.

That's how negotiating with terrorists go - fucking badly.

Thank you, this is what I was trying to say.

Thank you, it is very helpful to have an explanation like yours of what Zionism means, and everything you say is understandable in terms of Jewish people needing a safe homeland after WW11.

That translation of the words as 'the girls that can get pregnant' is highly contentious. Best to check for accuracy before assumptions- not to defend any of the rest of it.

God, its unbearable. I know someone who works in counter terrorism and within a few days of the massacre they had a briefing in which they were told things that he could not share. He said it was worse than anything that was reported.