New Hamas video of hostages

I don't think I suggested that anywhere...?

@ChickyBricky - right now Isreal stands alone in thinking that it’s actions are justified. Even it’s most staunch supporters (I’m talking international governments) have urged restraint and increased dialogue and respect for the rules of war. Surely you must question authorities that ignore their friends and are leading Israel down a path of being increasingly isolated.

A poster said that the surveillance girls put up military resistance as they were trained to do. I think they did not really have that chance.

The IDF left us like sitting ducks,” said Yaara. “The fighters at least had weapons and were killed like heroes. The female surveillance soldiers were abandoned by the army and simply slaughtered without having any chance to defend themselves.”

The report even quoted one of the surveillance soldiers apologizing for waking a commander in the early hours of October 7 to report that she was seeing “something strange.”

and then there was this added cruelty: the survivors were sent back.

Haaretz also said that many of the soldiers who survived the massacre have been told they will face sanctions for desertion if they don’t return to their posts. Many of the soldiers are dealing with severe trauma, having survived an assault in which friends and colleagues were massacred when Hamas terrorists overran the bases.

“We tried to explain that we can’t go back,” said a soldier identified as May. “We lost our friends. For hours we hid with corpses.”

“The commanders have not visited us. No one from the army has come to talk to us and ask how we feel. Our existence is simply ignored,” she said.

In response, the military said it had been providing support to the soldiers.

Fifteen female soldiers were killed at the Nahal Oz base on October 7, with a further six abducted and held hostage in Gaza. One soldier, Pvt. Ori Megidish, was rescued by IDF troops during an operation in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-say-oct-7-warnings-ignored-charge-sexism-played-a-role/

Of all the shocking things in this war, what happened to these young women is one of the very most shocking imo

yes they plural for sure.

I’m sorry you just want an echo chamber. As @Scirocco suggested earlier maybe this needs to be on an “Israeli Mumsnetters” forum.

There is obviously no appetite for a genuine discussion. I’ll leave you to it 😔

It's not just us, right? Like, you see it too? Absolutely revolting.

Yes they have, that's why they're doing this.

Haven't you read the room?

They have, and thus set out to cause maximum offense.

Wow.

Just... Wow.

I actually don't know what to say.

@AnotherDelphinium Haven't you read the room?

I live in a multi cultural city and have friends of all religions and none. My in-laws are Jewish, though I’m not and did t convert. They have always welcomed and loved me. I am deeply saddened tfat they, and some very dear friends, are living if not in absolute fear then certainly in a constant state of unease.
I have been equally saddened and shocked by the attitudes of self proclaimed left and liberal individuals, who I’d previously considered friends and allies. and their callous disregard of October 7th. It’s almost as though they can’t even acknowledge what happened. All I hear is anti- Jewish, anti Israeli sentiment. If they can separate Palestinians from Hamas how can they not condemn what Hamas did?

This.

I am sure that hundreds have already reported it as there are many "lurkers" on these boards too intimidated to post.

I think let it stand. It speaks volumes.

If you watch the video you can clearly see where their hands are bloodied.
You can then see where they are cable-tied at the wrists, their hands are at their crotch/thigh area when in front of them or on their bottom when behind them.

Is that not what you are seeing?

If you’re not, dunk your hands in water and then hold them at the wrists in front of, and then behind you. See where the water goes. It’s literally physics.

Or think of the last time you had your menstrual cycle and bled through. How long did it take to get over the front of your thighs and then your behind? (Hint. Forever!)

keenforhelp perhaps we should ask MNHQ to remove it?

How can you keep digging this hole so deep you will drown yourself in your own shit?
Once again, we do not need you telling us patronisingly that 'we've been indoctrinated!'
AnotherDelphinium TROLLs not welcome here.

THE most diabolical, disgusting, anti-Semitic post EVER on Mumsnet.

I can assure @blackcherryconserve , @Muthaofcats and others that the entirety of my colleagues, family and social circle have no issue whatsoever with Jewish people. However, those who support Israel and the oppression of the Palestinians, are simply in the same camp as those who supported black slavery in America a century ago and will hopefully learn of their history.

I mean that whole post as well but this bit? What. The. Fuck.

And @SharonEllis I genuinely don’t. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, I’m delighted to welcome you to my hobby’s/gym/work place/community.

I’m saddened if that comes as such a shock to you, that someone (and actually the overwhelming majority of people in the UK) will not discriminate on your religion whatsoever, but will if you hold a facist/xenophopic/racist/zionist attitude or views.

I am genuinely so sorry you’ve been so badly indoctrinated as to believe that.

Maybe they just wiped their bloody hands on their clothing?

What the fucking fuck?

Bloody hell.

What's wrong with people?

Goodness. You'd best trot off to the ICC, they need your expert testimony.

I believe the path to peace starts with dialogue
I'm sure no one thought of that, because obviously, the bloodthirsty Jews prefer to just annihilate everything in sight without a thought for anyone, including their own hostages!

Just adding, in case this post is reported and deleted, that I am obviously being satirical here.

If only dialogue with rational human beings was an option here, and not some kind of shitty deal with Hamas who will absolutely ensure that Israel are fucked over.