New Hamas video of hostages

I was just letting that poster, who seemed upset, know that space exists, as well as that there are threads available for discussion of the issues she mentioned. I don't think there is an Israeli Mumsnetters board?

If you watch the video you can clearly see where their hands are bloodied.
You can then see where they are cable-tied at the wrists, their hands are at their crotch/thigh area when in front of them or on their bottom when behind them.

Is that not what you are seeing?

If you’re not, dunk your hands in water and then hold them at the wrists in front of, and then behind you. See where the water goes. It’s literally physics.

Or think of the last time you had your menstrual cycle and bled through. How long did it take to get over the front of your thighs and then your behind? (Hint. Forever!)

And @SharonEllis I genuinely don’t. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, I’m delighted to welcome you to my hobby’s/gym/work place/community.

I’m saddened if that comes as such a shock to you, that someone (and actually the overwhelming majority of people in the UK) will not discriminate on your religion whatsoever, but will if you hold a facist/xenophopic/racist/zionist attitude or views.

I am genuinely so sorry you’ve been so badly indoctrinated as to believe that.

No they are blaming the isreali government, not the country or its people. I hate when the whole nation is lumped In with government decisions. The country and the nation are not responsible for this atrocitie or the current famine atrocities. Hamas are responsible for the murder and the blood shed and the government are responsible for not preventing it and for not doing enough to preserve innocent Palestinian civilian lives.

On the one side we have far right terrorists and on the other side we have the left defending them. It's extremely odd.

As I said, you've already shared 'the whole truth' multiple times on this thread, not to mention across several other threads over the last few months. We get that you put the blame on Israel. We got it several posts ago. Your point has been made. You can stop it now.

No.

These girls are at the very least owed

recognition of the whole truth of what they have been through. No one can deny them that.

This thread is supposed to be about them. This is about them. What happened to them is haunting.

That was a detailed Israeli newspaper article that most people would not have come across. Most people will just see the video and have no idea.

These were young women doing a difficult job very, very well. They are Israeli heroes. They are not to be remembered just as Hamas victims.

Yes, we get it. You've posted about this multiple times now on here and across various threads over several months. We get it. You blame Israel for everything. What a novel approach. Can you please stop trying to hammer home your point now? Please. It's been an awful enough night on here already, we don't need more of this now.

This is more about the epically tragic experience of the young surveillance female soldiers.

It is from an extremely detailed Haaretz article November 2023 you can find on archive ph. if you put in this headline.

The Women Soldiers Who Warned of a Pending Hamas Attack – and Were Ignored

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2023.12.15-190922/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-women-soldiers-who-warned-of-a-pending-hamas-attack-and-were-ignored/0000018b-ed76-d4f0-affb-eff740150000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.is/2023.12.15-190922/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-women-soldiers-who-warned-of-a-pending-hamas-attack-and-were-ignored/0000018b-ed76-d4f0-affb-eff740150000

“there are Hamas operatives who are constantly examining the places where we are less effective with the cameras. They really planned everything down to the smallest detail. Anyone who says today that it was unavoidable or that it was impossible to know – that’s a lie.”

In her words, ”They abandoned our friends to die because nobody wanted to listen to us. It’s beneath their dignity to listen to a sergeant – who for two years has been staring at the same screen and knows every stone, every grain of sand – tell them something contrary to what the senior intelligence officers are telling them. Who am I, some little woman, before a man with the rank of major or lieutenant colonel, for whom everybody stands at attention when he enters the room?”

You suggested other posters went to the Muslims mumsnetters board for a “safer space”, but you’ve obviously forgotten that.

You suggested other posters went to the Muslims mumsnetters board for a “safer space”, but you’ve obviously forgotten that.

What about the thousands of videos coming out of Gaza EVERY SINGLE DAY? What about the 15,000 children who have been killed let alone the orphans, the wounded, and now the starvation and diseases that are killing them. What about their homes being bombed, while whole bloodlines are being wiped out. What about all the brave medics who have been slaughtered? The journalists who have lost their lives? First they are sent out of the north to the south to live in tents and now they are bombing the south, there is nowhere to go?? What about the little girl Hind who was in a car with her uncle, aunt and young cousins and the Israeli army shot at them killing everyone but little Hind who managed to get through to emergency services on a telephone whilst sat in the car with her dead family, She was begging to be rescued. Then the Red Crescent got the go ahead from the army to send an ambulance in to rescue her and what did the Israeli's do? They bombed the ambulance killing two medics and shot Hind who was only 6 years old. This started 76 years ago, not in October. The people of Palestine have been living in an open aired prison with Israel giving them no rights or chance of a future.tens of thousands of Palestinian people including children and disabled have been locked up and put into prisons with no charges brought against them and no trial but yet we call them 'prisoners' when they are really 'hostages'. If the Palestinian people had been treated as equals and humans and had rights then Hamas would not have become what it is. The Israeli government are the ones to blame for Hamas because they are the only other option for the people to support to try to gain freedom and let's not forget there is no Hamas in the West Bank and yesterday a teacher, a doctor and a young student were murdered in the West Bank, this is a genocide happening before our very eyes and all people need to do is look for the information out there on the internet and they will see it's all there.

A poster said that the surveillance girls put up military resistance as they were trained to do. I think they did not really have that chance.

The IDF left us like sitting ducks,” said Yaara. “The fighters at least had weapons and were killed like heroes. The female surveillance soldiers were abandoned by the army and simply slaughtered without having any chance to defend themselves.”

The report even quoted one of the surveillance soldiers apologizing for waking a commander in the early hours of October 7 to report that she was seeing “something strange.”

and then there was this added cruelty: the survivors were sent back.

Haaretz also said that many of the soldiers who survived the massacre have been told they will face sanctions for desertion if they don’t return to their posts. Many of the soldiers are dealing with severe trauma, having survived an assault in which friends and colleagues were massacred when Hamas terrorists overran the bases.

“We tried to explain that we can’t go back,” said a soldier identified as May. “We lost our friends. For hours we hid with corpses.”

“The commanders have not visited us. No one from the army has come to talk to us and ask how we feel. Our existence is simply ignored,” she said.

In response, the military said it had been providing support to the soldiers.

Fifteen female soldiers were killed at the Nahal Oz base on October 7, with a further six abducted and held hostage in Gaza. One soldier, Pvt. Ori Megidish, was rescued by IDF troops during an operation in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-say-oct-7-warnings-ignored-charge-sexism-played-a-role/

Of all the shocking things in this war, what happened to these young women is one of the very most shocking imo

@lotus786 I hear your pain. I feel those losses too. There are threads on the board and elsewhere bearing witness to what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank, and discussing those things. There's also the Muslim Mumsnetters board if you want some support in a safe(r) space than this board can sometimes feel. These young women are also deserving of a space where what they have endured and are still enduring can be recognised and acknowledged.

I’m sorry you just want an echo chamber. As @Scirocco suggested earlier maybe this needs to be on an “Israeli Mumsnetters” forum.

There is obviously no appetite for a genuine discussion. I’ll leave you to it 😔

I’m sorry you just want an echo chamber. As @Scirocco suggested earlier maybe this needs to be on an “Israeli Mumsnetters” forum.

There is obviously no appetite for a genuine discussion. I’ll leave you to it 😔