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Thank you to Ireland, Norway and Spain

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Scirocco · 22/05/2024 08:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

At a time when justice, empathy and integrity seem to be in short supply, a little light in the darkness.

Link to the BBC Live page covering statements announcing that the countries will recognise a Palestinian state on 28th May.

Ireland and Norway to recognise Palestinian state, with Spain to follow - BBC News

Israel's foreign ministry has warned the move will "fuel extremism and instability".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

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Sakura7 · 22/05/2024 15:39

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:28

Have you polled most of the people in Ireland to see if they do not not give a shit?

So that is most of the 5 odd million for you to ask.

It's a publication that has been hostile and downright xenophobic to Ireland for decades, but sure, you know better.

The UK version isn't even sold here. They have a watered down Irish version which has pretty weak circulation figures.

But yes, you carry on lecturing Irish people about our own country and its attitudes. Surely you know better than those of us who have lived here our whole lives. 🙄

Dulra · 22/05/2024 15:39

AS60 · 22/05/2024 15:35

Please,you don't know anything about Spanish politics and Pedro Sanchez (Spanish prime minister) if you think he's not doing this for his onw benefit.

Respond for Spain so, I was talking about Ireland

Liv999 · 22/05/2024 15:37

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:28

Have you polled most of the people in Ireland to see if they do not not give a shit?

So that is most of the 5 odd million for you to ask.

The Daily Mail? Surely no one with half a brain British or Irish reads this rag?

Dulra · 22/05/2024 15:37

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:26

How will this support the people who live in the Gaza strip?

Effective support would be helping them rid their country of the people who want to destroy Israel so there is more chance of Israel establishing a two state solution. Then they would have a state.

Effective support would be helping them rid their country of the people who want to destroy Israel so there is more chance of Israel establishing a two state solution

It's always about Israel! A two state solution was not supported long before Hamas. How do you suggest we help Palestinians remove Hamas? By force? Doesn't work.
Maybe giving them realistic alternatives, supporting them to build an independent state free from oppression. Recognising the state of Palestine can be the beginning of that process. Supporting them to get rid of the gun in politics and govern through peaceful means without corruption, intimidation and violence.

mathanxiety · 22/05/2024 15:37

ConnieCounter · 22/05/2024 09:26

A predictably batshit response from the Israeli Minister for Foreign Affairs. Here's the text of his statement:

I have instructed the immediate recall of Israel’s ambassadors to Ireland and Norway for consultations in light of these countries' decisions to recognize a Palestinian state.

I’m sending a clear and unequivocal message to Ireland and Norway: Israel will not remain silent in the face of those undermining its sovereignty and endangering its security.

Today’s decision sends a message to the Palestinians and the world: Terrorism pays. After the Hamas terror organization carried out the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, after committing heinous sexual crimes witnessed by the world, these countries chose to reward Hamas and Iran by recognizing a Palestinian state.

This distorted step by these countries is an injustice to the memory of the victims of 7/10, a blow to efforts to return the 128 hostages, and a boost to Hamas and Iran's jihadists, which undermines the chance for peace and questions Israel’s right to self-defense.

Israel will not remain silent - there will be further severe consequences. If Spain follows through on its intention to recognize a Palestinian state, a similar step will be taken against it.

The Irish-Norwegian folly does not deter us; we are determined to achieve our goals: restoring security to our citizens, dismantling Hamas, and bringing the hostages home. There are no more just causes than these.

I'm delighted the ambassador has been sent home. I hope she stays there. She's been telling outrageous lies, mostly unchallenged, on Irish media since October. I only wish she'd been expelled by Ireland.

They can fuck off. Ireland fully supported the establishment of the state of Israel when they were fighting the British out of Mandate Palestine. We don't owe them.

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:36

Guavafish1 · 22/05/2024 15:28

Waiting for the UK and the US

Gonna be a long wait....

Hmmm - never?

AS60 · 22/05/2024 15:35

Dulra · 22/05/2024 12:37

Actually I do think it will gain them extra votes
Well the party that brought the motion to the Dáil initially in 2014 was Sinn Fein and there losing points in the polls.

Who will win votes? which of the parties? considering they all support it. I will say again it is insulting to suggest this is only being done to win votes

I mean if you can get 17 million voters to back Brexit based on a pack of lies then anything is possible.
I think the Irish electorate is a lot more engaged politically then many UK voters tbh

Please,you don't know anything about Spanish politics and Pedro Sanchez (Spanish prime minister) if you think he's not doing this for his onw benefit.

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:35

Dulra · 22/05/2024 15:30

What? Jesus didn't turn water into wine!!!!!

Oh nooooooo. What - he couldn't walk on water?

onegrumpyoldwoman · 22/05/2024 15:34

IbisDancer · 22/05/2024 15:17

That’s an OPINION based on the Bible. The Bible is not known for complete historical accuracy.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea.

The account of Tacitus (Roman Historian) proves that Quirinius was governing militarily in the area of Syria well before becoming the civilian governor of Syria and taking a second census of Judea in 6 A.D. as recorded by the Jewish historian Josephus.
This is why Mary and Joseph had to travel to the town of their birth to be registered on a census.

So it seems the date was a bit out, but not the fact He was born there.

Dulra · 22/05/2024 15:30

IbisDancer · 22/05/2024 15:17

That’s an OPINION based on the Bible. The Bible is not known for complete historical accuracy.

What? Jesus didn't turn water into wine!!!!!

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:28

Sakura7 · 22/05/2024 15:22

Most of us in Ireland don't really give a shit what the Daily Mail thinks.

Our Taoiseach was very clear this morning in condemning Hamas, saying they have nothing to offer.

This has been done to support the Palestinian people, not Hamas. If others choose to twist and misinterpret a very clear statement, they are simply pushing their own agenda.

Have you polled most of the people in Ireland to see if they do not not give a shit?

So that is most of the 5 odd million for you to ask.

Guavafish1 · 22/05/2024 15:28

Waiting for the UK and the US

Guavafish1 · 22/05/2024 15:27

About time and Jerusalem as the capital

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:26

How will this support the people who live in the Gaza strip?

Effective support would be helping them rid their country of the people who want to destroy Israel so there is more chance of Israel establishing a two state solution. Then they would have a state.

onegrumpyoldwoman · 22/05/2024 15:25

@ConnieCounter How can we stop Israel voting in these genocidal maniacs going forward?

I hope you aren't suggesting vote - rigging ?

How the Israeli people vote is their business.

Sakura7 · 22/05/2024 15:22

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:09

Thank you to to Ireland, Norway and Spain for playing into the hands of Hamas.
Foolish and misguided leadership.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-13446993/Hamas-gloats-Ireland-Norway-Spain-recognise-Palestinian-state.html

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Most of us in Ireland don't really give a shit what the Daily Mail thinks.

Our Taoiseach was very clear this morning in condemning Hamas, saying they have nothing to offer.

This has been done to support the Palestinian people, not Hamas. If others choose to twist and misinterpret a very clear statement, they are simply pushing their own agenda.

onegrumpyoldwoman · 22/05/2024 15:18

Elopelo · 22/05/2024 14:15

He was Palestinian.

He was Judean and spoke Aramaic, a Galilean dialect

In those days the area, (which was much smaller than today) was divided into 2 areas-

Galilee - ruled by one of the Herods in the north by the Sea of galilee

Judah, bordering the Dead Sea on the SE and Samaria, to the bordering the Jordan River. These two regions were a Roman Protectorate.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, which was then in Judea.

EasternStandard · 22/05/2024 15:17

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:13

Thanks for this. Good to see it’s been addressed

IbisDancer · 22/05/2024 15:17

keenforhelp · 22/05/2024 15:13

That’s an OPINION based on the Bible. The Bible is not known for complete historical accuracy.

Elopelo · 22/05/2024 14:42

booksunderthebed · 22/05/2024 14:37

Is this a real question? Jesus was a Jew living in Judea, which was then under occupation by the Romans. The same Romans who then called the land Palestine.

Yes it is a real question. Jesus was an ethnic Palestinian Jew.

booksunderthebed · 22/05/2024 14:37

Elopelo · 22/05/2024 13:44

😂

So Jesus was Israeli?

Is this a real question? Jesus was a Jew living in Judea, which was then under occupation by the Romans. The same Romans who then called the land Palestine.

statsfun · 22/05/2024 14:36

Liv999 · 22/05/2024 14:12

Agreed, it would be a completely different story then of course..

Both sets of people are indigenous. But unfortunately have very different ideas about how they would like to live.

It's more like a situation where the Norseman invasions in the 9th century resulted in a very different Viking culture in the Danelaw for a few hundred years. If our cultures hadn't merged in the last 1000 years (partly through conquest) - or if their conquest had been so complete that we ended up moving to France for a few hundred years - we might have ended up with conflict.

I like to think that in the same way as we had a referendum for Scottish people to choose whether to become an independent state, we could have decided to form 2 separate states within the territory which is currently the UK.

If those Vikings had continued to raid and kill us, and claimed London for themselves just because they built some more buildings there (despite it having been our capital well before they landed) then we might have more of a problem.

Liv999 · 22/05/2024 14:27

onegrumpyoldwoman · 22/05/2024 14:16

@Elopelo they’ve been abused and oppressed for decades.

But not by Israel.

So who is illegally building settlements on Palestinian land for years if not Israel? 🤔