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ICC - does it help?

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mids2019 · 21/05/2024 07:25

It doesn't take the most brilliant legal aid in history to determine Hamas are war criminals by any definition but to draw parallels between a democratic leader of a country that has defended itself against a terrorist attack really does not help peace as well as demonizing Israel.

Netanyahu is not going to be arrested as his major ally is not a signatory to the ICC so the warrant is moot. It also signifies terrorists by effectively treating them as state leaders.

As the president of the most powerful democratic nation of the world denounced the charges has the ICC lost credibility? When anti semitism is on the rise worldwide has a in reality practically meaningless warrant helped in any way?

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TheFirmBiscuit · 21/05/2024 07:39

Well are the charges justified - that is the moot point ? That rather sounds like a Donald Trump, the courts is biased against me arguement. I'm no legal expert but if Amal Clooney thinks there is a cast iron case then that's good enough for me.

If we are going to rip up the international structures set up after Nuremberg to prevent war crimes every happening again or at least bring the guilty to justice what are we going to replace it with ? If countries don't agree with the result then they should resign from the ICC and say exactly why. Putin must be loving this equivocation as he is currently under warrant and Russia is not a signatory nor is China for that matter.

From the judgement- the charges levelled against Hamas are without complaint from any reasonable person and their justice is coming, of that we can be sure.

From the judgement ;

The effects of the use of starvation as a method of warfare, together with other attacks and collective punishment against the civilian population of Gaza are acute, visible and widely known, and have been confirmed by multiple witnesses interviewed by my Office, including local and international medical doctors. They include malnutrition, dehydration, profound suffering and an increasing number of deaths among the Palestinian population, including babies, other children, and women.

Famine is present in some areas of Gaza and is imminent in other areas. As UN Secretary-General António Guterres warned more than two months ago, “1.1 million people in Gaza are facing catastrophic hunger – the highest number of people ever recorded – anywhere, anytime” as a result of an “entirely manmade disaster”. Today, my Office seeks to charge two of those most responsible, NETANYAHU and GALLANT, both as co-perpetrators and as superiors pursuant to Articles 25 and 28 of the Rome Statute.

Israel, like all States, has a right to take action to defend its population. That right, however, does not absolve Israel or any State of its obligation to comply with international humanitarian law. Notwithstanding any military goals they may have, the means Israel chose to achieve them in Gaza – namely, intentionally causing death, starvation, great suffering, and serious injury to body or health of the civilian population – are criminal.

mids2019 · 21/05/2024 07:29

Bush and Blair weren't indicted if you consider their wars illegal. If you start criminalizing leaders of our democracies for responses to attack where does that leave our international system? The ICC needs political support for its existence and moved like this will make countries consider withdrawing from it.

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