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Dulra · 30/05/2024 16:03

Efacsen · 30/05/2024 15:33

The Guardian's picture editor is naughty - always the most unflattering photos!

Probably hard to find a flattering one. He does look very grey though, last 6 months obviously taking its toll

Parkingt111 · 30/05/2024 15:47

@Efacsen 😂😂 I have noticed that too

Efacsen · 30/05/2024 15:33

The Guardian's picture editor is naughty - always the most unflattering photos!

keenforhelp · 29/05/2024 23:51

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 15:55

@keenforhelp

Deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender (DARVO) is a tactic a person may use to deflect responsibility onto an individual they have abused. It is a form of manipulation a person may use to discredit a survivor's experience.

Thank you for your explanation and explains why @Efacsen 's post was deleted then.

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 16:08

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:08

What is this person's name?

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Why is it relevant?

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 15:55

@keenforhelp

Deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender (DARVO) is a tactic a person may use to deflect responsibility onto an individual they have abused. It is a form of manipulation a person may use to discredit a survivor's experience.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 15:51

EasterIssland · 28/05/2024 15:47

Thanks @Efacsen for bringing the news. ICC have suffered loads of threads in the last few weeks. Everyone that has tried that should be prosecuted for it

That poor woman I don't know how she kept her sanity but she persevered despite the 'stalkery' intimidation for nine years

EasterIssland · 28/05/2024 15:47

Thanks @Efacsen for bringing the news. ICC have suffered loads of threads in the last few weeks. Everyone that has tried that should be prosecuted for it

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 14:24

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Can you explain this acronym?

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:18

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keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 14:11

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:04

IDK maybe I'm wrong but my understanding is that the final arbiter of

-racism is black people/POC
-homophobia is gay people
-antisemitism is Jewish people
-islamophobia is people of the Muslim faith

Just for a bit of consistency if nothing else

Agreed so I will bow to what you have all said in your perception but it was not intentional.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:04

IDK maybe I'm wrong but my understanding is that the final arbiter of

-racism is black people/POC
-homophobia is gay people
-antisemitism is Jewish people
-islamophobia is people of the Muslim faith

Just for a bit of consistency if nothing else

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 14:02

Auvergne63 · 28/05/2024 14:00

What does it mean then?

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I mean we have to be mindful of unconscious bias.

Auvergne63 · 28/05/2024 14:00

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:58

No it does not mean that in my eyes.

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keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 14:00

Mellowdramadrama · 28/05/2024 13:38

@keenforhelp does Keir Starmer have a unconscious bias in your opinion?
Because his wife and children are Jewish?

Interesting question and I just found this article:
https://www.thejc.com/news/our-family-treasures-our-shabbat-dinners-says-keir-starmer-hrnmdcu7

Honestly - who knows? Unconscious bias is a thing but Starmer was head of the CPS so hope he is not biased to anything.

Our family treasures our Shabbat dinners, says Keir Starmer

The Labour leader's wife is Jewish and the family are members at London’s Liberal Jewish Synagogue

https://www.thejc.com/news/our-family-treasures-our-shabbat-dinners-says-keir-starmer-hrnmdcu7

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:58

Auvergne63 · 28/05/2024 13:46

That is not why your post was Islamophobic, as you well know.
It's because you seem to conflate faith and culture and that being a Muslim, in your eyes, means being an Islamist.

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No it does not mean that in my eyes.

Auvergne63 · 28/05/2024 13:46

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:12

I disagree that I was Islamophobic for pointing out that Karim Khan is Muslim. It is NOT Islamaophobic - it is a fact.

I would not accuse anybody of anti-Semitism if anybody said Netanyahu was Jewish!

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That is not why your post was Islamophobic, as you well know.
It's because you seem to conflate faith and culture and that being a Muslim, in your eyes, means being an Islamist.

Mellowdramadrama · 28/05/2024 13:38

@keenforhelp does Keir Starmer have a unconscious bias in your opinion?
Because his wife and children are Jewish?

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 13:33

@keenforhelp
What did you mean by:

"International Criminal Court, The Hague, Netherlands headed by a Muslim. Recognised by no-one important"

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:31

Mellowdramadrama · 28/05/2024 13:21

You implied that him being Muslim, affected his decision or caused him to have a bias
It's like people saying so and so politician has spoken out in favour of Israel ONLY because they are Jewish.

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That's your perception - however are you going to deny unconscious bias exists as a concept?

If I had stated Khan is a Muslim and because of this, he is anti-Semitic and biased - then you may have a point.

But I did not.

Scirocco · 28/05/2024 13:28

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:08

What is this person's name?

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Why is that relevant?

Mellowdramadrama · 28/05/2024 13:21

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:12

I disagree that I was Islamophobic for pointing out that Karim Khan is Muslim. It is NOT Islamaophobic - it is a fact.

I would not accuse anybody of anti-Semitism if anybody said Netanyahu was Jewish!

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You implied that him being Muslim, affected his decision or caused him to have a bias
It's like people saying so and so politician has spoken out in favour of Israel ONLY because they are Jewish.

keenforhelp · 28/05/2024 13:12

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 13:10

@keenforhelp just because Mumsnet didn't delete it for breaking talk guidelines (they seem to be allowing a lot of posts that are breaking talk guidelines to still stand) I found your post completely Islamophobic.
You obviously don't find it to be so and I would suggest that you are part of the problem. If you're "keen for help" as your username suggests, have a look at the following link and also research what Islamaphobia is.

https://www.alislam.org/book/pathway-to-paradise/islamic-beliefs-teachings/

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I disagree that I was Islamophobic for pointing out that Karim Khan is Muslim. It is NOT Islamaophobic - it is a fact.

I would not accuse anybody of anti-Semitism if anybody said Netanyahu was Jewish!