Israel Gaza war: ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leaders

Sorry what is my political bent?

It's your political bent I'm not enthused by

Or are you suggesting something else? [as usual]

Can't access DT article it's behind a paywall - but can see it's dated 25 April before the figures were clarified by the UN

Keenforhelp, I suspect the number of civilian deaths will be much higher, if you include those that have starved or have not been able to access medical care, plus all those buried in mass graves with no family left. In every genocide the original figures tend to increase when all the facts are known.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers"

Taken together, Hamas is reporting not only that 70% of casualties are women and children but also that 20% are fighters. This is not possible unless Israel is somehow not killing noncombatant men, or else Hamas is claiming that almost all the men in Gaza are Hamas fighters."

"The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated. Israel estimates that at least 12,000 fighters have been killed. If that number proves to be even reasonably accurate, then the ratio of noncombatant casualties to combatants is remarkably low: at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1. By historical standards of urban warfare, where combatants are embedded above and below into civilian population centers, this is a remarkable and successful effort to prevent unnecessary loss of life while fighting an implacable enemy that protects itself with civilians."

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People like me?

I think most people know what you mean by that.

Anyhow, are you suggesting the BBC does not know what they are talking about then?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/25/bbc-admits-reporting-gaza-civilian-deaths-inaccurate/#:~:text=The%20BBC%20has%20admitted%20that,Oct%207%20attacks%20on%20Israel.

"The BBC has admitted that its reporting of “civilian” casualties in Gaza was inaccurate and included the deaths of Hamas fighters.
A report on BBC One’s News at Ten bulletin on Jan 14 covered a vigil in Tel Aviv marking 100 days since the Oct 7 attacks on Israel."

You just can't admit when you're wrong

Love the way that opposite opinions are trumpeted as nonsense and similar quasi insults on this thread.

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He is a politician and like all politicians we may agree with some things they do and say and some things we don't agree with. That is hardly surprising. I agreed with his stance on NI and the Brexit negotiations, I don't agree with his position on Gaza. I wouldn't adore any politicians even politicians I personally vote for I wouldn't agree or support their position on everything.

Not seen any 'adulation' for Biden - most PP seem to regard him as a bit weak and mis-guided - and even 'evil'

Just because you trumpet this sort of nonsense doesn't make it true

Nowhere near 30000, though is it.
Yes the numbers are shocking but don't base your figures on a proscribed terrorist organisation's numbers.

Adulation of Biden when it suits you when he follows your narrative.

I think many of us hoped it wasn’t just lip service or public affairs stunts, but a genuine shift in policy and actions. Supplying a few loaves of bread 🥖 to feed 30,000 for 1 day while supplying enough bombs 💣 that kill 30,000 forever is a bit like killing all the kittens your cat has with a shovel and then filling your FB page with I love cats, here is my cat posts. It’s a shallow veneer meant to deflect attention to the real depth of inhumanity going on under the surface.

You loved him then
Did I? You seem to know more about me then me.

They are also two quite practical things which directly helped Palestinians in Gaza, not really the same thing

And to think that the ICJ is expected to take about five years to examine the huge piles of evidence submitted but Biden doesn't need to see it and can make a judgement 'just like that'

It's beyond laughable

Well you got pretty excited when Biden said he would be limiting arms shipments and warning Israel against invading Rafah.
You loved him then.

"Biden said that Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza."

Well if Biden said so......Not sure why you think Biden's word holds much weight in a ICC investigation? He may be the President of the United States but he doesn't rule the world and chances are he won't be in post past Jan 2025 anyway.

Race card?
"It is and it is very much the same as "playing the race card" . This is racial anti-Semitism equivalence.

Are Jewish people a race ? No. Are Muslims a race? No.

They are religions.

Sounds anti-Semitic.

Racial anti-Semitism .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism

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Racial antisemitism is prejudice against Jews based on a belief or assertion that Jews constitute a distinct race that has inherent traits or characteristics that appear in some way abhorrent or inherently inferior or otherwise different from the traits or characteristics of the rest of a society."

Who said there is any equivalence? Bar maybe PP on the internet/Hamas IDK

The 2 sets of warrants to be requested were made at the same time - nowhere did the documents say - oh look here's another one, they're as bad as each other

It's a diversionary tactic not based in fact and their chosen 'line to take'

Well said Biden. Continue at your peril, Khan, Clooney et al.

"Biden said that Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza."

And reported in Al Jazeera so no accusations that it is cobblers if it was reported in the DM or DT.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/21/no-equivalence-biden-defends-israel-after-icc-requests-arrest-warrants#:~:text=In%20January%2C%20the%20ICJ%20ruled,genocidal%20acts%20from%20taking%20place.

It's been a bit of a theme this morning PP posting links without bothering to read/ digest them first so that they actually undermine/disprove their point

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The Article is about the UN Human Rights Council that will be overseeing the investigation of the 2014 Gaza war - Operation Protective Edge.

“Israel has sharply criticised the UN Human Rights Council’s new three-person panel tasked with investigating possible war crimes committed during Operation Protective Edge.“

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/gaza-operation-protective-edge

It has nothing to do with ICC or ICJ or even the current Gazan conflict.