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pwrwulf · 21/05/2024 15:34

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pwrwulf · 21/05/2024 15:33

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Auvergne63 · 21/05/2024 15:28

Funny how most, if not, all posts ,which have been deleted, are from people who condemn the actions of the Israeli government. We must be all anti semitic.
I expect this post to be deleted too.

anotherlevel · 21/05/2024 15:26

@pwrwulf I'm just going to ignore your comments now. You're just making things up now and deflecting yet again.

headstone · 21/05/2024 15:23

pwrwulf, I thought this thread was about the war criminals Netanyahu and Hamus leaders , instead it has been derailed yet again by calling everything antisemetic in a bid to distract against Israel’s criminal leadership. Nice try but this tactic is wearing thin now.

pwrwulf · 21/05/2024 15:10

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anotherlevel · 21/05/2024 15:01

@pwrwulf No I'm not bitter and that has nothing to do with my post. Nice try to deflect from the double standards on here though.

Dulra · 21/05/2024 14:29

Scirocco · 21/05/2024 14:24

I think there are a lot of double standards at work here, in the same vein as much of the media bias over the years.

On one hand, a statement of opinion from anyone defending or supporting the actions of Israel is considered sufficient to stand on its own, deserving of attention, and should not be challenged.

On the other, any expressions of criticism of those actions or support for Palestinians is held to a higher burden of proof, expected to meet sometimes impossible standards.

This has been widely recognised across media for decades, and identified as a contributing factor to the skewing of coverage of what has been done to Palestinians for years, as well as during this conflict.

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And people get more incensed over criticism of the Israeli government as opposed to the things they are getting criticised for. I love my country but I would never defend my government if they were responsible for what the IDF and Israeli government are doing

Scirocco · 21/05/2024 14:24

I think there are a lot of double standards at work here, in the same vein as much of the media bias over the years.

On one hand, a statement of opinion from anyone defending or supporting the actions of Israel is considered sufficient to stand on its own, deserving of attention, and should not be challenged.

On the other, any expressions of criticism of those actions or support for Palestinians is held to a higher burden of proof, expected to meet sometimes impossible standards.

This has been widely recognised across media for decades, and identified as a contributing factor to the skewing of coverage of what has been done to Palestinians for years, as well as during this conflict.

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 14:21

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 14:07

I want you to t ell me what YOU think my political bent is.

I don't need to you broadcast it far and wide

Not in any holes so don't need to do any digging

"I don't need to you broadcast it far and wide"

Eh?
Besides your comment making zero sense, your hole is the "people like you" abyss. You did not say people with your political stance, did you.

pwrwulf · 21/05/2024 14:19

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Scirocco · 21/05/2024 14:15

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 11:53

Well said Biden. Continue at your peril, Khan, Clooney et al.

"Biden said that Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza."

And reported in Al Jazeera so no accusations that it is cobblers if it was reported in the DM or DT.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/21/no-equivalence-biden-defends-israel-after-icc-requests-arrest-warrants#:~:text=In%20January%2C%20the%20ICJ%20ruled,genocidal%20acts%20from%20taking%20place.

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Biden saying something doesn't make it reality, or absolve international bodies of responsibility to take action to investigate and, where necessary, seek prosecution and sanctions.

anotherlevel · 21/05/2024 14:12

Not necessarily on this particular thread but across the CITME board, I've seen posters:

-report posts for being antisemitic for any type of criticism of the Israeli government. The posts have then been deleted. There’s been a lot.

-Accuse posters of spreading misinformation by purposefully spreading an incorrect definition of antisemitism when they said the definition of antisemitism to include any questioning of the state of Israel.

-Posters then say that questioning the Israeli government isn’t antisemitic.

-and now that the ICC have sought arrest warrants for Netanyahu for war crimes, the ICC is accused of being antisemitic. Is bombing hospitals, mosques, schools, starving a population antisemitic? Because these are all war crimes that Netanyahu has been accused of.

So what is it then?

You just can’t make these things up.

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 14:07

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:54

Daft reply.

Duh - I asked you as you purported to tell me what mine was in a way to dig yourself out of a hole when you said " people like you."

I want you to t ell me what YOU think my political bent is.

I know what it is but how would you know???

I want you to t ell me what YOU think my political bent is.

I don't need to you broadcast it far and wide

Not in any holes so don't need to do any digging

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:54

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 13:46

It seemed like a daft question - don't you know your own political affiliations?

@keenforhelp

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Daft reply.

Duh - I asked you as you purported to tell me what mine was in a way to dig yourself out of a hole when you said " people like you."

I want you to t ell me what YOU think my political bent is.

I know what it is but how would you know???

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:46

EasterIssland · 21/05/2024 13:41

Isn’t that what Israel is doing ?
attacking un when it suits them. Adoring un when Iran attacks them.

That's politics! Agreed.

At least I admit that politicians are blowing in the wind.

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 13:46

It seemed like a daft question - don't you know your own political affiliations?

@keenforhelp

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EasterIssland · 21/05/2024 13:41

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 12:34

Adulation of Biden when it suits you when he follows your narrative.

Isn’t that what Israel is doing ?
attacking un when it suits them. Adoring un when Iran attacks them.

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:41

headstone · 21/05/2024 13:10

Keenforhelp, I suspect the number of civilian deaths will be much higher, if you include those that have starved or have not been able to access medical care, plus all those buried in mass graves with no family left. In every genocide the original figures tend to increase when all the facts are known.

We will never know how many civilians are Hamas soldiers and soldiers in training.

Agreed.

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:39

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:15

Sorry what is my political bent?

Gone quiet now.

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:39

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TheFirmBiscuit · 21/05/2024 13:29

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 13:04

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers"

Taken together, Hamas is reporting not only that 70% of casualties are women and children but also that 20% are fighters. This is not possible unless Israel is somehow not killing noncombatant men, or else Hamas is claiming that almost all the men in Gaza are Hamas fighters."

"The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated. Israel estimates that at least 12,000 fighters have been killed. If that number proves to be even reasonably accurate, then the ratio of noncombatant casualties to combatants is remarkably low: at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1. By historical standards of urban warfare, where combatants are embedded above and below into civilian population centers, this is a remarkable and successful effort to prevent unnecessary loss of life while fighting an implacable enemy that protects itself with civilians."

100%

Add the absolute carnge in Falluja to that. Biden has enough blood on his hands from past actions and a good reason why they are not signatories to the ICC. Israel has a point, all countries with advanced armies cause carnage in the pursuit of their aims. They just don't like their populations seeing it in all it's gore, less normal people whose tacit consent in democracies they require are disgusted. There is extreme socipathy in the actions of many of mankind's leaders, it's how they got to the top of their respective greasy poles. We are animals after all said and done.

The U.S. military first denied that it has used white phosphorus as an anti-personnel weapon in Fallujah, but later retracted that denial, and admitted to using the incendiary in the city as an offensive weapon.[20] According to George Monbiot, reports following the events of November 2004 have alleged war crimes, human rights abuses, and a massacre by U.S. personnel.[21] This point of view is presented in the 2005 documentary film, Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre.

nicpic71 · 21/05/2024 13:28

keenforhelp · 20/05/2024 17:26

The ICC is anti-Semitic.

i have reported you. How can you say such a ludicrous thing. The ICC have arrests out on Hamas and Netanyahu. I am so sick of this being chucked around everytime people criticise the deliberate starving and bombing of children. We have alls een the videos and I for one know a lecturer of mine who worked in Palestine years ago and told us about the horrrors she had seen. So please dont equate anti zionism in its current state with being antisemetic.

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 13:21

headstone · 21/05/2024 13:10

Keenforhelp, I suspect the number of civilian deaths will be much higher, if you include those that have starved or have not been able to access medical care, plus all those buried in mass graves with no family left. In every genocide the original figures tend to increase when all the facts are known.

The US Dept of State agrees with you - they have said on a number of occasions that the figures are 'probably an underestimate'

As many as 10-12k still buried in the rubble - apparently the whole of Gaza stinks of decomposition Sad

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