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If all Palestinians leave Gaza, are Israel then allowed to claim the land?

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TERFCat · 19/05/2024 08:28

Sorry, for the simplicity of what I'm saying. I'm new to this and trying to learn. Smile

From what I've seen, many Palestinians in Gaza are being moved to camps elsewhere. Sadly, many have been killed too.

The photos of the area suggest that much of Gaza is ruined and will need to be re-built.

If hypothetically all Palestinians were moved elsewhere, would Israel then be able to "claim" Gaza? Would the UN etc be allowed to stop them? Would the West Bank be able to claim it?

Any insight appreciated?

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Liv999 · 26/05/2024 09:50

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 09:07

There is no point engaging with you because it appears that you find it difficult to understand that the Israel government's response to the attack is disproportionate, indiscriminate and, above all, illegal.
Every nation has a right to self defence but none has the right to deliberately starve, withdraw the basics for life and target anything and everything they wish to.
Hamas is responsible for 07/10 and Netanyahu for the hell he is unleashing on children. We are all responsible for our actions. "They made me do it" is used by children, not by democracies.

@Auvergne63 100% correct

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 09:13

Laura Norda and Live love be happy is just two of you. You're the delusional ones, trying your hardest to convince us that Israel is just defending themselves or they don't want the land.
They want the land, Netanyahu stated it himself. They will start taking over the land and "rebuild it".
Thinking you can fool us here, you're the fool. Both of you.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 09:09

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:59

Ah, so that makes it okay then. As long as they intended to attack the military as well, it’s absolutely fine to take out some civilian festival goers along the way. Okay……

I am starting to believe that you have difficulties with comprehension.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 09:07

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:54

The evidence being what happened on October 7th - without that, none of what happened since that date would have happened. Thousands of Palestinians would still be alive and living in Gaza. Hamas have brought these deaths on their people. Absolutely wrong that you are not holding them to account for this.

There is no point engaging with you because it appears that you find it difficult to understand that the Israel government's response to the attack is disproportionate, indiscriminate and, above all, illegal.
Every nation has a right to self defence but none has the right to deliberately starve, withdraw the basics for life and target anything and everything they wish to.
Hamas is responsible for 07/10 and Netanyahu for the hell he is unleashing on children. We are all responsible for our actions. "They made me do it" is used by children, not by democracies.

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 09:06

@Livelovebehappy that wasn't what I was discussing with you though. You were told of an incident. You asked for proof. Your immediate reaction was to dismiss it despite it coming from Israeli whistle blowers.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 09:03

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:58

@Livelovebehappy there you go, you will do anything to excuse the actions of the IDF and the Israeli government even when it's staring at you right in the face.
Even when it is Israelis themselves who are exposing it

I have been vocal in also calling for a peaceful resolution in this. Israel have repeatedly asked for the release of the hostages, then they can sit down, with mediation from other countries, to discuss the Palestine situation going forward. Yet Hamas are refusing to do so. Why? Surely, if there are hostages remaining, they would do that and sit down to discuss, to avoid further deaths. Why do you think they are refusing to do this?

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 09:02

@Livelovebehappy You can admit that two things are wrong at the same time. That the Hamas attack was a horrendous act of terror. And that there has been numerous instances exposed of where the government and IDF have acted in a horrific manner.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:59

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 08:55

They would have targeted government buildings or the Israeli military.
You appear to be ill informed on the attacks. Hamas did attack military bases as well as civilians. I always make a point to check my facts before voicing my opinion as I don't want to come across as ignorant. I advise you to do the same.
How the Hamas attack on Israel unfolded | Reuters

Ah, so that makes it okay then. As long as they intended to attack the military as well, it’s absolutely fine to take out some civilian festival goers along the way. Okay……

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:58

@Livelovebehappy there you go, you will do anything to excuse the actions of the IDF and the Israeli government even when it's staring at you right in the face.
Even when it is Israelis themselves who are exposing it

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:56

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:50

@Livelovebehappy I'm surprised you haven't seen that shocking bbc article where Israeli whistle-blowers exposed the torture carried out

Medical workers in Israel have told the BBC that Palestinian detainees from Gaza are routinely kept shackled to hospital beds, blindfolded, sometimes naked, and forced to wear nappies – a practice one medic said amounted to “torture”.

And that’s evidence? Coming from the BBC?

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 08:55

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:39

Full of hate to tell it how it is? The events on October 7th happened. If Hamas truly wanted to retaliate here, they would have targeted government buildings or the Israeli military, not some young festival goers who have no agenda in any of this, and who maybe even had some sympathy with the Palestinians. So no, retaliation was not against the Israeli military, but was a horrible opportunity Hamas took to rape and murder easy targets.

They would have targeted government buildings or the Israeli military.
You appear to be ill informed on the attacks. Hamas did attack military bases as well as civilians. I always make a point to check my facts before voicing my opinion as I don't want to come across as ignorant. I advise you to do the same.
How the Hamas attack on Israel unfolded | Reuters

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:54

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 08:46

I asked you to provide evidence to your statement, and I quote, "And hopefully the palestines would then realise that it was Hamas who handed it to Israel on a plate."
But instead you deflect this by accusing me of denying what happened on 07/10.
You would have to be blind to deny it. I have my eyes wide opened to the horrors inflected on that day by Hamas and to the daily horrors that the Israeli government are bringing on the Palestinians. Both are revolting. Both should be condemned. Don't you agree?
Still waiting for that evidence. It's going to be a long wait.

The evidence being what happened on October 7th - without that, none of what happened since that date would have happened. Thousands of Palestinians would still be alive and living in Gaza. Hamas have brought these deaths on their people. Absolutely wrong that you are not holding them to account for this.

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:54

ohthejoys21 · 26/05/2024 08:42

This. Israel doesn't want the land, it wants to ensure murderous terrorists aren't able to get back in and drag its citizens back to be raped and tortured again, and to stop the constant shelling into its country.

So that conference that happened not long ago about establishing settlements in Gaza, that was attended by numerous members of the Israeli government was just for fun?
There might be some who don't. But there's plenty of evidence of others who do.

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:50

@Livelovebehappy I'm surprised you haven't seen that shocking bbc article where Israeli whistle-blowers exposed the torture carried out

Medical workers in Israel have told the BBC that Palestinian detainees from Gaza are routinely kept shackled to hospital beds, blindfolded, sometimes naked, and forced to wear nappies – a practice one medic said amounted to “torture”.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 08:46

Livelovebehappy · 25/05/2024 22:19

Erm, so you are denying that Hamas raped and murdered Israeli festival goers on 7the October? Then enlighten me. What did they do? Join them for a dance and some fast food? I’m all ears……

I asked you to provide evidence to your statement, and I quote, "And hopefully the palestines would then realise that it was Hamas who handed it to Israel on a plate."
But instead you deflect this by accusing me of denying what happened on 07/10.
You would have to be blind to deny it. I have my eyes wide opened to the horrors inflected on that day by Hamas and to the daily horrors that the Israeli government are bringing on the Palestinians. Both are revolting. Both should be condemned. Don't you agree?
Still waiting for that evidence. It's going to be a long wait.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:45

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And? All you’ve listed is factual.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:43

OneGreenPlayer · 26/05/2024 08:31

The facts still remain that the un and other countries were not provided with sufficient evidence. Atrocities by the IOF were being carried out daily before oct 7th. That day was a retaliation. A group of people deliberately set up a party out side of the concentration camp making food knowing that hungry children inside could smell it.
if there are lies as you say why are journalists being refused entry? Why is the IOF deliberately targeting journalists to murder them? People are not delusional anymore they can see what the IOF are doing. Ex IOF soldiers have provided photographs of concentration camps where prisoners are naked and chained to beds. The list is endless. People of Gaza cannot freely leave. The are trapped inside Gaza and being indiscriminately bombed. The charity workers vehicle which was clearly labelled was deliberately targeted. The list goes on.
this is nothing to do with Hamas but the innocent children who are suffering and being murdered

It is everything to do with Hamas. The situation would not he as it is without October 7th, and to suggest otherwise is delusional. Are there naked photos of chained up pictures out there? Hamas supporters are quick to demand proof but do you have proof, or is it just something you have read on the pro Palestinian news feeds? A ceasefire discussion is very possible, but Hamas are refusing to release the hostages. Why is this do you think?

ohthejoys21 · 26/05/2024 08:42

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 08:51

Israel left Gaza completely in 2005. Removed by force all Jewish settlers and even took all the Jewish graves.

Israel is not interested in Gaza.

This. Israel doesn't want the land, it wants to ensure murderous terrorists aren't able to get back in and drag its citizens back to be raped and tortured again, and to stop the constant shelling into its country.

TwilightSkies · 26/05/2024 08:39

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Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:39

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Full of hate to tell it how it is? The events on October 7th happened. If Hamas truly wanted to retaliate here, they would have targeted government buildings or the Israeli military, not some young festival goers who have no agenda in any of this, and who maybe even had some sympathy with the Palestinians. So no, retaliation was not against the Israeli military, but was a horrible opportunity Hamas took to rape and murder easy targets.

OneGreenPlayer · 26/05/2024 08:31

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:11

Another delusional terrorist apologiser. There is enough evidence out there if you’d care to look, of what actually happened on 7th October. But it suits your narrative to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes, because you don’t want to accept the barbaric acts carried out by your friends Hamas that day. And if we are talking proof, show me evidence apart from the bleatings of the pro Palestinian lobby (who have their own agenda here) that these concentration camps exist, and that innocent people are held there. Just like the wildly different figures put out there - 1000 people, then 5000 people, then 10000. Lies, lies, lies I’m afraid.

The facts still remain that the un and other countries were not provided with sufficient evidence. Atrocities by the IOF were being carried out daily before oct 7th. That day was a retaliation. A group of people deliberately set up a party out side of the concentration camp making food knowing that hungry children inside could smell it.
if there are lies as you say why are journalists being refused entry? Why is the IOF deliberately targeting journalists to murder them? People are not delusional anymore they can see what the IOF are doing. Ex IOF soldiers have provided photographs of concentration camps where prisoners are naked and chained to beds. The list is endless. People of Gaza cannot freely leave. The are trapped inside Gaza and being indiscriminately bombed. The charity workers vehicle which was clearly labelled was deliberately targeted. The list goes on.
this is nothing to do with Hamas but the innocent children who are suffering and being murdered

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 08:30

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Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:11

OneGreenPlayer · 26/05/2024 00:15

No actual evidence has been provided. Israel is refusing to allow journalists in to report. The irony of you saying fast food. The party was held a few feet away from the Palestinians locked in their concentration camp while Israelis enjoy whatever food they want while they party. When they retaliate out of frustration they are called terrorists. Illegal settlers are still stopping them getting food. Why did the IOF take so long getting to the party when they were attacked? Very strange events that day

Another delusional terrorist apologiser. There is enough evidence out there if you’d care to look, of what actually happened on 7th October. But it suits your narrative to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes, because you don’t want to accept the barbaric acts carried out by your friends Hamas that day. And if we are talking proof, show me evidence apart from the bleatings of the pro Palestinian lobby (who have their own agenda here) that these concentration camps exist, and that innocent people are held there. Just like the wildly different figures put out there - 1000 people, then 5000 people, then 10000. Lies, lies, lies I’m afraid.

SharonEllis · 26/05/2024 07:20

OneGreenPlayer · 26/05/2024 00:15

No actual evidence has been provided. Israel is refusing to allow journalists in to report. The irony of you saying fast food. The party was held a few feet away from the Palestinians locked in their concentration camp while Israelis enjoy whatever food they want while they party. When they retaliate out of frustration they are called terrorists. Illegal settlers are still stopping them getting food. Why did the IOF take so long getting to the party when they were attacked? Very strange events that day

We have camera footage from the rapists and murderers themselves as they were conducting their massacre, as well as footage & reporting of the aftermath at the sites,the bodies of victims and the testimony of witnesses. What is your purpose in spreading such lies?

OneGreenPlayer · 26/05/2024 00:15

Livelovebehappy · 25/05/2024 22:19

Erm, so you are denying that Hamas raped and murdered Israeli festival goers on 7the October? Then enlighten me. What did they do? Join them for a dance and some fast food? I’m all ears……

No actual evidence has been provided. Israel is refusing to allow journalists in to report. The irony of you saying fast food. The party was held a few feet away from the Palestinians locked in their concentration camp while Israelis enjoy whatever food they want while they party. When they retaliate out of frustration they are called terrorists. Illegal settlers are still stopping them getting food. Why did the IOF take so long getting to the party when they were attacked? Very strange events that day