Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

Doesn’t know what sarcasm is either. No surprised there

Next time be more precise in your wording because the implication was there.

If you can explain how, in an evacuation situation, you can reliably tell t’other from which, I’d love to hear.
its quite difficult preventing terrorists and their sympathisers entering the country in a more normal situation. I really can’t see how we’d do it here.

@Limesodaagain

"can anyone explain why Eygpt etc are not willing to take Palestinian refugees?"

They would have no right to return.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, innit?

That's not the same as saying 71% support terrorists. It is far more complicated than that.
Do we poll every refugee fleeing persecution?

So what political party are not considered to be Islamophobic?

Tories- they are racist and Islamophobic

Labour Party? No. ( they are Islamophobic -apparently not supporting a ceasefire/some suggesting it is because Starmer's wife is Jewish rather/Muslim councillors withdrawing support for Labour).

So they can't like any newspaper eg Guardian, Mirror, Mail, Telegraph, presumably.

See that apple and that aardvark? Thems the same thing innit?
absolute vintage stuff here

Right, and how many of those are from when the West Bank was annexed by Jordan themselves until 1967?

Anyway, I believe that refugees should be treated like humans rather than cargo. If they feel that they need to leave their homes they should have some kind of say in where they go. Maybe they don't want to go to Egypt just because it's the physically closest country? It's a different culture and a different dialect from what they're used to. It'd be a bit like sending a Spanish refugee to France - I'm sure they'd have a few things in common but also loads that they wouldn't. Maybe the UK would be a better fit for some Palestinians than Egypt would be. I don't know. It's also not up to me to make that judgement, I feel like it should be at least partly up to them.

There are Palestinians who know full well what Hamas truly are. These people should be helped wherever possible, if for no other reason than that they will hopefully one day be the ones in charge of Gaza. Hopefully, they are the future.

The public opinion poll results posted earlier were very alarming but I imagine the horror of the last few months has increased extremism and hatred in Gaza. I would have hoped Gazans would realise Hamas is, in large part, also responsible for their suffering. But its hard to be fair and rational when you’re terrified and angry.
Regarding the refugee situation… can anyone explain why Eygpt etc are not willing to take Palestinian refugees?

@Dulra
The 71% is from a Palestinian polling organisation, PCPSR, March 2024 response in Gaza to the question: "In your view, was Hamas decision to launch its offensive against Israel on 7 October a correct or incorrect one?" Support has risen from 57% in December 2023 (there is a reverse trend in the West Bank, i.e. started higher but falling).

Press Release: Public Opinion Poll No (91) | PCPSR

There are methodological questions of course (perhaps pressure to give the majority response has inflated the number. Conversely some 'no's may have been about tactics or timing, not the principle). But 71% is far too high for me to feel comfortable saying we should treat this as any other case. Especially because the target of some of that anger is likely to be at the UK, because of the UK's support of Israel, and at Jews in Britain. (I haven't seen any data on Palestinian views of the UK, but I have seen data on views of Jews, and it's uncomfortable. We wouldn't feel comfortable about it from white supremacists and I don't think we should feel comfortable about it in this case either).

(I'm about to go out so if I don't respond that is why).

Ill informed? Just Google militant Islam, I'm not inventing it. I wish I was!

And I am not in any way implying that such radical extremism represents the whole of Islam.

Regarding your hint that I'm a racist xenophobe, I wish I could share my home situation with you. You would laugh and apologise for getting me so wrong.

The racists on here… Eugh…

Firstly, OP, why would you be surprised that the Torygraph prints such shit though? They represent supporters of a party that has no shame and is openly islamaphobic.

Secondly, why on earth should the Palestinian people be forced out of their land? They shouldn’t need to be refugees, that’s ethnic cleansing. They should be given their own state which Israel should now have to pay to build.

Jordan already has somewhere between 2 and 3 million Palestinian refugees in case you weren't aware.

Love the double standard!
<1% of weapons sold to Israel by the UK: tiny amount, not worth thinking about.
<1% of allegedly Hamas supporter: we are doomed.

You call it controversial, I call it, at best, ill informed and at worse, well take a guess.

Love the double standard!
<1% of weapons sold to Israel by the UK: tiny amount, not worth thinking about.
<1% of allegedly Hamas supporter: we are doomed.

@AdamRyan
Most refugees will have nothing to do with Hamas and will be traumatised people looking for safety.

Of course! but even if <1% were keen on supporting Hamas, it's a risk to the UK.

Hamas have a problem with Israel,not the West writ large.

You are also doing that thing of equating Palestinians with Hamas. Most refugees will have nothing to do with Hamas and will be traumatised people looking for safety.

So I reject the Torygraphs whole premise that Palestinian refugees are a security threat. Its just right wing fear mongering.

Yeah, Brexit really shattered my illusions about democracy because I realised that the majority of the electorate aren't really capable of making well informed decisions. There isn't a better alternative, unfortunately, so we are stuck with it. I guess I'm just more resigned now to the fact that we'll only ever get governments that are as good as the electorate deserves. It's depressing really.

I think we're all wise enough to realise refugees being welcomed to the UK is based on skin colour and not morals.

I'd certainly rather get rid of all the feral white English kids who terrorise my area and take in innocent kids and families from Gaza.