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Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Cantonet · 18/05/2024 09:51

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

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EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:37

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:36

Ok no specific reason there. I am just commenting on what I've read over the past few pages

Can’t you go back and read?

It was about ten minutes ago

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:36

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:34

But what would they reflect with? The basic reflective capacity appears to be wholly absent in some cases

I know you’re right.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:36

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:32

Scroll back and read why?

There were about ten posts saying why

Ok no specific reason there. I am just commenting on what I've read over the past few pages

Muthaofcats · 18/05/2024 20:36

I have always been horrified by people who wouldn’t wish to help refugees. However for the first time in my life I paused at the idea of Palestinian refugees and felt very conflicted for having such an instinctive reaction. I of course would want to help people in need. But I would find it troubling and worrying to allow people into this country who openly support what Hamas did. Palestinian polls do continue to show support for the group they voted for; and the footage of them partying and celebrating the rape and murder of innocent women, children and grandmothers was absolutely terrifying to me. I would feel extremely nervous about how someone with that ideology could ever integrate into western society.

I am literally the child of refugees. I hate right wing politicians and the Rwanda scheme. I really have never felt this way before; but that is my feeling and I’m open to be challenged and reassured that I’m wrong.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:35

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AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:34

OK. I have no desire to get into a huge fight over this. I'll leave you all to it.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:34

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:27

I know there will be a scrabble for deletion as pp has already stated

Let the views stand. Why not? Maybe people will actually reflect on why their post went down as it did.

But what would they reflect with? The basic reflective capacity appears to be wholly absent in some cases

Ritadidsomethingbad · 18/05/2024 20:34

The marches in London have shown me how close we are to a very dangerous situation. I am scared about the future of the U.K.

Limesodaagain · 18/05/2024 20:33

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 18:06

Right, and how many of those are from when the West Bank was annexed by Jordan themselves until 1967?

Anyway, I believe that refugees should be treated like humans rather than cargo. If they feel that they need to leave their homes they should have some kind of say in where they go. Maybe they don't want to go to Egypt just because it's the physically closest country? It's a different culture and a different dialect from what they're used to. It'd be a bit like sending a Spanish refugee to France - I'm sure they'd have a few things in common but also loads that they wouldn't. Maybe the UK would be a better fit for some Palestinians than Egypt would be. I don't know. It's also not up to me to make that judgement, I feel like it should be at least partly up to them.

There are Palestinians who know full well what Hamas truly are. These people should be helped wherever possible, if for no other reason than that they will hopefully one day be the ones in charge of Gaza. Hopefully, they are the future.

Yes - I agree . Particularly with your last paragraph.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:33

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:28

I tend to thing it should be deleted too, though not for the same reasons as you i would guess

You are one of the main posters!

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:33

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:27

I'm not interested in taking sides. The Israeli government and the IDF have also said and done awful, dehumanising things about the Palestinians.

Since Netanyahu announced his entirely impossible goal of "eliminating Hamas" I've been deeply worried about the number of Gazans who will die unnecessarily as a result. Pretty much everything I was worried about has and is happening.

The majority of Gazans are displaced. Hundreds of thousands are starving and we know children and babies are most likely to die in famine. This is entirely man made and there is no end in sight. It's shocking in the 21st Century.

I don't think any amount of barbarity from Hamas justifies what's happening in Gaza.

I got as far as the first sentence but then the tears of laughter blinded me, sorry

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:32

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 20:17

Oh dear.

"But our brothers [in the diaspora] are still preparing. They are trying to prepare. They are warming up. A long time has passed with them warming up. All of you 7 million Palestinians abroad, enough of the warming up. You have Jews everywhere and we must attack every Jew on the globe by way of slaughter and killing, if God permits. Enough of the warming up," - Senior Hamas official Fathi Hamad, 2019. That's two years after Hamas changed their charter.

Not sure why anyone would think Hamas genuinely all of a sudden changed their minds about hating Jews 😂 It's still the same people, doing the same thing. They just toned down their charter to win over support from idiots people in the west and it worked. As a general rule, you probably shouldn't trust terrorists.

I don't.
I was responding to PP saying my post was entirely fiction. That's not true.

I don't think there is much risk to British Jews from Gazan refugees,if we were taking any. Which I don't think we are planning to.

I think the Torygraph are stirring up division in a very irresponsible way. Quite successfully if this thread is anything to go by.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:32

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:31

Why?

Scroll back and read why?

There were about ten posts saying why

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:31

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:31

Reported. Disgusting, dishonest, unjustified personal attack.

Disgusting, dishonest, unjustified personal attack.
What bits?

Ritadidsomethingbad · 18/05/2024 20:31

I agree with her.

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 20:31

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 20:27

I think it isn't beyond belief to think things would have changed in 50 years.
I do know from my father in law that racism was rife if you were black. The sign "No blacks, no Irish and no dogs" isn't a myth.

Yeah we all know that. It's not brand new information

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:31

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:22

The post was not acceptable

I’m not Jewish but I can see that.

Why?

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:31

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Reported. Disgusting, dishonest, unjustified personal attack.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:30

Hélène79 · 18/05/2024 20:27

It's really quite something to witness the same people who have spent months talking over, belittling and giving their opinions about Jews (not just Israelis, but Jews), now complaining about racism.

Sorry? You need to be specific who you are talking about and not a blanket statement accusing posters of something a lot of us haven't done.
complaining about racism
Well God forbid anyone should complain, how inconsiderate and short sighted of us

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:28

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:19

This thread has confirmed that the majority of posters supporting Israel have nothing but hate towards Palestinians, that all you can see them as are terrorist supporting psychopaths. You do not see them as innocent civilians but a threat to you all even the children I guess. They are people that do not deserve to feel safe, do not deserve to be safe and do not deserve asylum at a time of crisis. The way you have also turned on posters and ganged up on them is just so toxic.
I have reported this thread and I really hope Mumsnet delete it. It's a cesspit of intolerance and hatred.

I tend to thing it should be deleted too, though not for the same reasons as you i would guess

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:27

I know there will be a scrabble for deletion as pp has already stated

Let the views stand. Why not? Maybe people will actually reflect on why their post went down as it did.

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 20:27

inamarina · 18/05/2024 18:53

You said many things change in 50 years in response to PP, so it sounded like you knew what it used to be like in the 70s.

I think it isn't beyond belief to think things would have changed in 50 years.
I do know from my father in law that racism was rife if you were black. The sign "No blacks, no Irish and no dogs" isn't a myth.

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:27

literarybitery · 18/05/2024 20:17

In the footage of Hamas fighters on October 7th they used the words ‘Jew’ and ‘Jews’ repeatedly for the people they were searching for to murder ( often accompanied by ‘dog’). Not Israeli. That’s from their own mouths, during their own attack. Rather than a PR charter. . Tells you everything you need to know

I'm not interested in taking sides. The Israeli government and the IDF have also said and done awful, dehumanising things about the Palestinians.

Since Netanyahu announced his entirely impossible goal of "eliminating Hamas" I've been deeply worried about the number of Gazans who will die unnecessarily as a result. Pretty much everything I was worried about has and is happening.

The majority of Gazans are displaced. Hundreds of thousands are starving and we know children and babies are most likely to die in famine. This is entirely man made and there is no end in sight. It's shocking in the 21st Century.

I don't think any amount of barbarity from Hamas justifies what's happening in Gaza.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:27

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Hélène79 · 18/05/2024 20:27

It's really quite something to witness the same people who have spent months talking over, belittling and giving their opinions about Jews (not just Israelis, but Jews), now complaining about racism.