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Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Cantonet · 18/05/2024 09:51

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

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Bigredpants · 18/05/2024 21:18

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:07

Are you including the illegal occupiers in those figures?

Israel should not occupy land outside agreed borders. There have to be borders. Two states.

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 21:17

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:09

Let me make clear that I am not minimising the horror of what's happened on either side,

No you are just denying what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza. I am not on twitter or any other social media I pretty much get all my news from msm news channels and I can see clear as day what's happening, but keep telling yourself Hamas are manipulating us if it makes you feel better

I can see that you can't see it. But quite honestly, you might one day.

mids2019 · 18/05/2024 21:15

@MissyB1

there are obviously a significant number of Hamas fighters and I imagine the majority are male. Hamas and their fighters still have considerable support amongst the populace in Gaza so we can assume this support would be translated over to any UK immigrants.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:15

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

The person asserting knowledge about them seems to be you. Or maybe you’re just airing your prejudices?
I know what my money’s on.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:13

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

So no one.

Btw the only post that suggests they know a lot is the op’s below, also unbelievable assumptions

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 21:13

literarybitery · 18/05/2024 21:05

You also aren’t interested in addressing responses to your own posts.
You claimed Hamas ‘only’ want to murder Zionists ( who are, let’s face it, Jewish) , not Jews.

I presented evidence that their words when in action make it clear they do want to murder Jews.

Your response now is a rather unconvincing body swerve.

I can’t really take seriously your claim that you aren’t taking sides, when you present the words of terrorists to claim ‘look! They ‘only’ want to murder Zionist Jews! Stop misrepresenting them as murderously anti-Semitic!’ Someone who is genuinely not taking sides would never say anything so utterly repellant ( and frankly stupid).

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I was responding to a poster claiming I made stuff up.

I have no interest in defending my position to posters who are being quite rude and goady. I'm body swerving that.

Hamas are clearly murderously anti-Israeli. Their actions show that. But most Gazans are not Hamas. Most Gazans didn't have any say in having Hamas in power. They do not deserve what's happening to them, and there is certainly no evidence that a Gazan refugee would be a risk to the UK.

MissyB1 · 18/05/2024 21:13

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So all Palestinian men are members of Hamas? Do you have proof of that? Or do you just think Muslim man = terrorist?

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:12

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

Might be better if you just admit you were trying to be clever or funny and that you missed the mark by some distance.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:09

Which posters are Israeli?

Can you list

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:09

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

Which posters are Israeli?

Can you list

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:08

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Maybe once the war is over those brave Hamas fighters can join their kin in the UK for reunions 😖
So all Palestinians are Hamas?

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:08

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

It really isn’t

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:07

Bigredpants · 18/05/2024 21:05

@Cantonet What a bizarre post. I am not Israeli or Palestinian but are you seriously suggesting the Palestinian people are/were neutral in their attitude to Jewish people? I believe there are 2 million Muslims in Israel and about…0 in Palestinian areas as there is a matching zero tolerance for Jews.

Are you including the illegal occupiers in those figures?

mids2019 · 18/05/2024 21:06

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Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:06

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

How many posters here are Israeli?

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:06

Cantonet · 18/05/2024 20:54

So true.
The Israelis are not attacking Hamas effectively. There is increasing criticism of the way they're fighting this war from Israelis. Bombing the top doesn't damage these tunnels but just causes collateral damage - the poor Palestinians. So the Hamas fighters are increasingly able to regroup.
Are the Idf going to repeatedly re-fight in the same areas they cleared a few weeks ago? They need a whole new way to attack Hamas within the tunnels. That's the only way the war in Vietnam was won via learning a whole new way of combat.

Most Israelis/Idf fighters seem to have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians. There's no compassion or care for them at all. They're not treated like human beings, but they're akin to Cockroaches. This is far more apparent than the Palestinians so-called hatred of the Zionists. I've read that the support for Hamas before the 7th was low within the educated Palestinian sector. I'm sure support has now rocketed because they're the only ones fighting against this immensely cruel, totally unfair attack on the Palestinians.

I’m not sure how you can write this stuff but I hope this thread isn’t deleted as it shows the type of thinking on SM

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:02

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?! And "so-called hatred of the Zionists"?! It's not "so-called". It's even in the fucking updated Hamas charter! The original charter was also very clear on their stance on Israelis, Zionists and Jews. The original charter that got Hamas elected. They got something like 45% of the vote at the time.

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

literarybitery · 18/05/2024 21:05

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:27

I'm not interested in taking sides. The Israeli government and the IDF have also said and done awful, dehumanising things about the Palestinians.

Since Netanyahu announced his entirely impossible goal of "eliminating Hamas" I've been deeply worried about the number of Gazans who will die unnecessarily as a result. Pretty much everything I was worried about has and is happening.

The majority of Gazans are displaced. Hundreds of thousands are starving and we know children and babies are most likely to die in famine. This is entirely man made and there is no end in sight. It's shocking in the 21st Century.

I don't think any amount of barbarity from Hamas justifies what's happening in Gaza.

You also aren’t interested in addressing responses to your own posts.
You claimed Hamas ‘only’ want to murder Zionists ( who are, let’s face it, Jewish) , not Jews.

I presented evidence that their words when in action make it clear they do want to murder Jews.

Your response now is a rather unconvincing body swerve.

I can’t really take seriously your claim that you aren’t taking sides, when you present the words of terrorists to claim ‘look! They ‘only’ want to murder Zionist Jews! Stop misrepresenting them as murderously anti-Semitic!’ Someone who is genuinely not taking sides would never say anything so utterly repellant ( and frankly stupid).

Bigredpants · 18/05/2024 21:05

@Cantonet What a bizarre post. I am not Israeli or Palestinian but are you seriously suggesting the Palestinian people are/were neutral in their attitude to Jewish people? I believe there are 2 million Muslims in Israel and about…0 in Palestinian areas as there is a matching zero tolerance for Jews.

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 21:04

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Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:02

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:01

Well, it got deleted, so all of it I guess? 😂

Oh hilarious well done you. You must be so proud

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:02

Cantonet · 18/05/2024 20:54

So true.
The Israelis are not attacking Hamas effectively. There is increasing criticism of the way they're fighting this war from Israelis. Bombing the top doesn't damage these tunnels but just causes collateral damage - the poor Palestinians. So the Hamas fighters are increasingly able to regroup.
Are the Idf going to repeatedly re-fight in the same areas they cleared a few weeks ago? They need a whole new way to attack Hamas within the tunnels. That's the only way the war in Vietnam was won via learning a whole new way of combat.

Most Israelis/Idf fighters seem to have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians. There's no compassion or care for them at all. They're not treated like human beings, but they're akin to Cockroaches. This is far more apparent than the Palestinians so-called hatred of the Zionists. I've read that the support for Hamas before the 7th was low within the educated Palestinian sector. I'm sure support has now rocketed because they're the only ones fighting against this immensely cruel, totally unfair attack on the Palestinians.

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?! And "so-called hatred of the Zionists"?! It's not "so-called". It's even in the fucking updated Hamas charter! The original charter was also very clear on their stance on Israelis, Zionists and Jews. The original charter that got Hamas elected. They got something like 45% of the vote at the time.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:01

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:31

Disgusting, dishonest, unjustified personal attack.
What bits?

Well, it got deleted, so all of it I guess? 😂

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:59

AhNowTed · 18/05/2024 20:56

@Marjoriefrobisher

"tears of laughter" at the Israeli government rhetoric about the Palestinians. Really?

Let's look at how Israeli government, ministers and officials talk openly about the Palestinians, and then decide how hilarious it is.

Ariel Kallner, a Knesset member for Likud, said, "Right now, one goal: Nakba. A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 1948"

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari, who said forces would turn Gaza into a "city of tents" and that Israel's "emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy" in the bombardment of Gaza.

Amichay Eliyahu, a cabinet minister, and Tally Gotliv, a Likud parliament member, have both called for Israel to use nuclear weapons on Gaza, with Gotliv stating: "It's time for a doomsday weapon. Not flattening a neighborhood. Crushing and flattening Gaza."

Galit Distel-Atbaryan, Knesset member for Likud posted on X that Israelis should focus on "Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth" and forcing the Gazans either into Egypt or to the death. It was such statements that led to Raz Segal's (Israeli historian and professor) characterization of Israel's conduct in the 2023 war in Gaza as a "textbook case of genocide", stating to Vox - “If this is not special intent to destroy, I don't know what is."

On 14 November 2023, Israel's finance minister Bezalel Smotrich stated that he welcomed "the initiative of the voluntary emigration of Gaza Arabs to countries around the world," adding that "the State of Israel will no longer be able to accept the existence of an independent entity in Gaza."

In November 2023, Israel's former justice minister, Ayelet Shaked, spoke of transforming Khan Younis into a soccer field with 'the assistance of God and the IDF'. Shaked said Israel should 'take advantage of the destruction that we will wreak upon them' in Gaza and pressure countries worldwide into accepting quotas of Gazan refugees, ranging from 20,000 to 50,000 per country.

On 22 November 2023, Otzma Yehudit MK Limor Son Har-Melech, said in a conference that "there is no escape from returning and fully controlling the Gaza Strip, full control that will include extensive and flourishing settlement in the entire strip. Not like the Gush Katif settlements that were concentrated in a few isolated areas, but settlement for the entire length and width of the strip."

In December 2023, David Azoulay, the head of the local council of the town of Metula, speaking to Israel's 103FM radio said the people of Gaza should be ordered to "go to the beaches" where the Israeli army would "load them up" on ships and "place them on Lebanon's shores where there are enough refugee camps", that "the entire Gaza Strip should be emptied and levelled flat, just like in Auschwitz. Let it become a museum, showcasing the capabilities of the State of Israel and dissuading anyone from living in the Gaza Strip" and that "we should leave Gaza desolate and destroyed to serve as a museum, demonstrating the madness of the people who lived there". His statements were condemned by the Auschwitz Museum.

On 9 April 2024, Israel minister of Finance Bezalel Smotrich stated that Israel had "returned Khan Yunis to the stone age".

Hilarious isn't it.

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