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UK revokes visa of law student who addressed pro-Palestine protest

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NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 13:56

With all the recent threads about the protests, I wonder what everyone thinks about the U.K. Government revoking the visa of 19 year old law student Dana Abuqamar. She said that:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”

She is challenging the decision and has accused the U.K. of hypocrisy. These are her comments, which she said have been taken out of context:

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

I always see written on Mumsnet that “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.”

Do you think the Government’s decision is the correct one?

x.com

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

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Myb · 17/05/2024 18:22

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 16:12

Thats because the case of Russia invading Ukraine unprovoked is completed different to Israel responding to an act of war from Hamas. It is in fact the opposite of a double standard. Putting aside the question of 'genocide' which has not been adjudicated on, UK is not taking part in Israeli action in Gaza.

Erm UK is taking part, maybe get your facts right. What is Royal Navy doing in Mediterranean sea? and UK is shipping arms to Israel as I write tbis - this is as bad as it gets.

And to educate you further- the history didn't start on 07/10 so you can't say it was unprovoked - Israel has been subjugating Palestinians since around 1948...and guess who helped create that state back in the 40s?

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :)

queenofarles · 17/05/2024 17:19

I don’t agree with what she said , it’s stupid and insensitive , it’s one thing to object to the killings of tens of thousands , but celebrating the killings of So many innocent lives is cruel and inhumane , seeing she’s not British it’s probably up to the Foreign office. I’ve seen many foreign students visas revoked for far less.

quantumbutterfly · 17/05/2024 17:09

Precipice · 17/05/2024 14:52

Freedom of expression is a right. It is article 10 of the ECHR. This article is qualified: "The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."

It is generally considered that consequences for supporting proscribed terrorist organisations are acceptable and necessary in a democratic society.

Thank you. Every article has a derogation in it afaik.

She very publicly supported and celebrated an atrocity, she is not the only one. Many of them were UK citizens. The problem is a little bigger than her.

But yes, her hatred is not welcome in the UK.

CranfordScones · 17/05/2024 16:51

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right..."

It's not an absolute right. Like all rights, it comes with responsibilities. You can't advocate or incite unlawful acts.

CwmYoy · 17/05/2024 16:36

TabithaTimeTurner · 17/05/2024 14:58

Pride and joy indeed 😡🤬
She poses a ‘National threat’ so yes, good riddance I say 👋

This. Absolutely this.

NoOneFellOffTheirChair · 17/05/2024 16:35

Totally the right call.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 16:28

Finally, something this government has got right. She can have all the freedom of speech she wants in her own country. Britain also has freedom of speech and is saying "Fuck off you terrorist sympathiser, we don't want you here."

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MonetMonetMonet · 17/05/2024 16:20

NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 14:52

There is no such thing as freedom of speech here in this country....the double standards and hypocrisy of UK has been exposed for everyone to see.

Compared to where?

Quite a few countries apparently

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

Teentaxidriver · 17/05/2024 16:16

TabithaTimeTurner · 17/05/2024 14:58

Pride and joy indeed 😡🤬
She poses a ‘National threat’ so yes, good riddance I say 👋

Absolutely. Although of course, the British taxpayer will be funding her ‘legal team’ and our supine courts will no doubt back down. She’ll inevitably be applying for residency here in due course, despite finding our values and freedoms so abhorrent.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 17/05/2024 16:14

She was very stupid to say on national TV that she was ' full of joy' as a result of what Hamas were doing. She can't say she was ' taken out of context' when her words were broadcast for everyone to hear. She said that what she said was misinterpreted to imply she approved of the killing of civilians. But unless her interpretation of ' civilians' is the same as Hamas- anyone under 18 or over 65- she is talking ribbish. If that is her interpretation of civilians- despite her being Australian- then she doesn't have a leg to stand on. She has breached the terms of her visa. She's doing a Law degree, so that'll be one bit of law she's learnt for free- don't openly breach the conditions of your visa, or you'll get deported.

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 16:12

Myb · 17/05/2024 14:47

There is no such thing as freedom of speech here in this country....the double standards and hypocrisy of UK has been exposed for everyone to see. On one hand this country had a verbal diarrhoea when Russia invaded Ukraine, and on the other hand this very country took part, and still is, in the genocide of Palestinians - over 30K killed. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Thats because the case of Russia invading Ukraine unprovoked is completed different to Israel responding to an act of war from Hamas. It is in fact the opposite of a double standard. Putting aside the question of 'genocide' which has not been adjudicated on, UK is not taking part in Israeli action in Gaza.

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 16:08

Yes absolutely right. She is supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation - that is illegal in this country.

Again and again on the discussions about this conflict we have been told that Pro-Palestinian supporters are not supporters of Hamas, are not supporters of the rape, mutilation & murder of Israelis (& others) on 7 October but peaceful. How many examples do the contrary do we need? She is speaking clearly & calmly. She is not caught up in the passion of an argument when anyone can say something intemperate.

Comedycook · 17/05/2024 16:06

I think this is a good decision.

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/05/2024 16:02

Northernnature · 17/05/2024 16:00

Noone has the right to be here if they are not a citizen, it is a privilege. Can't see her being deported as we have a very weak govt.

Maybe they won’t need to deport her. If she has no student visa she gets no finance. So if Australian she’ll probably just go home with no degree potentially. I won’t lose sleep over that.

Northernnature · 17/05/2024 16:00

Noone has the right to be here if they are not a citizen, it is a privilege. Can't see her being deported as we have a very weak govt.

pwrwulf · 17/05/2024 15:52

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Minniemooose · 17/05/2024 15:46

I’m glad she’s had her visa revoked! Ta-ta 👋

sashagabadon · 17/05/2024 15:32

I can’t get upset 😢 ver this. She is here on a visa so by permission of the U.K. government.

Kendodd · 17/05/2024 15:28

Zimunya · 17/05/2024 15:22

The Gaza Strip is unsafe. Nothing wrong with sending her to the West Bank to "celebrate" at home.

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Wasn't she Australian anyway?

Zimunya · 17/05/2024 15:22

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/05/2024 15:08

Is she Palestinian? Sorry, can't access twitter at work. I saw headlines this morning and can't remember - but if so surely she can claim asylum? She can't be deported to a war zone?

The Gaza Strip is unsafe. Nothing wrong with sending her to the West Bank to "celebrate" at home.

Kendodd · 17/05/2024 15:16

Pride and joy and what Hamas did, really?
Is she proud of all the raping?
Proud about all the children they killed?
Does it bring her joy to see young people at a music festival murdered?
I hope she loses her appeal and is deported. And she can fuck right off with her whinging about being picked on.

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/05/2024 15:09

Though I guess she can still have her student visa be revoked and then just join all the other asylum seekers/refugees but won't be allowed to work or study?

Lovelyview · 17/05/2024 15:09

She is here on a student visa. The day after Hamas massacred 1,200 people in Israel, raped Israeli women and took others hostage she said: she was “really full of joy” and “proud that Palestinian resistance has come to this point.' As @Zimunya said, she had to declare on her visa application that she doesn't support terrorism yet clearly supports Hamas which is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK. I see no reason why she should be allowed to stay in the UK.

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/05/2024 15:08

Is she Palestinian? Sorry, can't access twitter at work. I saw headlines this morning and can't remember - but if so surely she can claim asylum? She can't be deported to a war zone?

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