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UK revokes visa of law student who addressed pro-Palestine protest

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NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 13:56

With all the recent threads about the protests, I wonder what everyone thinks about the U.K. Government revoking the visa of 19 year old law student Dana Abuqamar. She said that:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”

She is challenging the decision and has accused the U.K. of hypocrisy. These are her comments, which she said have been taken out of context:

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

I always see written on Mumsnet that “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.”

Do you think the Government’s decision is the correct one?

x.com

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

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Myb · 17/05/2024 18:50

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 18:43

Which sovereign countries had the UK invaded to bring 'democracy and freedom of speech'?

Libya - the most recent one. The man responsible for the deaths of 10s of 1000s is currently your Foreign Minister. Do keep yourself upto date.

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:49

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:42

UK is a self proclaimed champion on human rights and "freedom of speech" so much so that this country has invaded sovereign countries to bring "democracy and freedom of speech" to others...and lol when someone finally does speak in your country that you don't like, you revoke the visa...are you still lost?

When you put it like that, it sounds like a terrible country, an aggressive and unsafe country.

I'm sure the student wouldn't want to love or study in such a place, and will welcome the chance to get away from it.

As you say, you "can't have it both ways" after all :)

Marjoriefrobisher · 17/05/2024 18:44

The principle of freedom of speech clearly and obviously does not require us to permit people to remain in our country when their presence is not conducive to the public good.
if she wishes to sympathise with terrorists she may do so from home.

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 18:44

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:22

Erm UK is taking part, maybe get your facts right. What is Royal Navy doing in Mediterranean sea? and UK is shipping arms to Israel as I write tbis - this is as bad as it gets.

And to educate you further- the history didn't start on 07/10 so you can't say it was unprovoked - Israel has been subjugating Palestinians since around 1948...and guess who helped create that state back in the 40s?

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :)

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The UK supplies around 1% of Israel's Arms. The Navy is monitoring terrorist activity in the area and in particular supporting the transfer of aid to Gaza. 'Taking part' is a major, ideologically contrived, stretch.
The only people who argue that Ukraine provoked Russia are Putin & his acolytes. I think we can see where you're coming from.

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:44

Yes it has in the past as have others and that was the norm then

However if you come to the UK then don't come and start causing trouble

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 18:43

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:42

UK is a self proclaimed champion on human rights and "freedom of speech" so much so that this country has invaded sovereign countries to bring "democracy and freedom of speech" to others...and lol when someone finally does speak in your country that you don't like, you revoke the visa...are you still lost?

Which sovereign countries had the UK invaded to bring 'democracy and freedom of speech'?

Humdingerydoo · 17/05/2024 18:43

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:31

Except she did none of that. From the video posted above, she said something along the lines of she is glad it has come to this...she didn't mention hamas specifically and there is a big crowd behind her, reasonable to assume that she is in a protest and that comment could be attributed to that...I.e. I'm glad to see people finally speaking up for the Palestinians. It's just that she so happens to be speaking for a side that the Brits, Americans couldn't care less about. So I'm actually not surprised at the responses on this thread. As I said earlier, the hypocrisy has been badly exposed.

Oh, did you not actually listen to what she said? Maybe watch it again. She was quite clearly talking about the events on October 7th and not pride in people speaking up for Palestinians. Pride in Palestinians who invaded Israel and raped, murdered, maimed, kidnapped Israelis and people of other nationalities who happened to be there at the time. So no, your assumption is not reasonable. So yes, she should be kicked out. It's just a shame it's taken them this long that she's presumably managed to finish this whole academic year.

Ponderingwindow · 17/05/2024 18:42

Anyone speaking out or protesting today has a legitimate claim to the importance of free speech. They may have suspect motivations, they may not. We have no way of knowing, so we must give people the benefit of the doubt from an official standpoint.

anyone who was out showing their support for the oct 7th attacks aligned themselves with a terrorist organization. There was no grey area at that point. That has consequences.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:42

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:39

@Myb

You've lost me there?

UK is a self proclaimed champion on human rights and "freedom of speech" so much so that this country has invaded sovereign countries to bring "democracy and freedom of speech" to others...and lol when someone finally does speak in your country that you don't like, you revoke the visa...are you still lost?

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:39

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:34

Off you trot!

The UK isn't a charity. We do what we want, and that includes stripping extremists of their visas (and nationality if necessary). We don't have to have anyone in our country who doesn't align with our national values. Out national values do not include mass rape.

But they appear to include killing of kids though, over 10k+ dead and British government is quite happily sending more weapons over. National values - what a joke

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:39

@Myb

You've lost me there?

quantumbutterfly · 17/05/2024 18:39

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:35

We are at risk of going off topic here, but if you wish to have a discussion on sphere of influence on the global stage, by all means open a new topic, we can have a discussion.

You don't need to go into such depth for GCSE, relax.

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:37

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:37

Yes you do, but they generally don't shove free speech or democracy down your throat either :) you can't have it both ways you know

Well we can actually. This story kind of proves that

quantumbutterfly · 17/05/2024 18:37

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 18:35

It seems freedom of expression in this country only applies if you have the correct amount of melanin in your skin.

Whose colour chart are you working to? Dulux or farrow and ball?

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 18:37

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:25

I knew posters like you would come along and say this..
How does supporting Palestinians and their right to a country, self defence equates to terrorism?

Supporting Hamas is unequivocally supporting terrorism.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:37

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:36

If we went abroad these days we have to be mindful of other cultures and the way they do things

Yes you do, but they generally don't shove free speech or democracy down your throat either :) you can't have it both ways you know

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:36

And keep our heads down

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:36

If we went abroad these days we have to be mindful of other cultures and the way they do things

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:35

Precipice · 17/05/2024 18:31

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :) No, one cannot. That is the argument of Russia, but it is not reasonable. Espousing it requires the belief that Russia is entitled to maintain a sphere of influence of countries around itself, i.e. that Russia is entitled to keep neighbouring countries partially under Russian control. This argument denies countries which neighbour Russia full sovereignty. Sovereign countries may pursue their own foreign policies based on their own interests, which includes joining international alliances.

We are at risk of going off topic here, but if you wish to have a discussion on sphere of influence on the global stage, by all means open a new topic, we can have a discussion.

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 18:35

It seems freedom of expression in this country only applies if you have the correct amount of melanin in your skin.

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:34

Off you trot!

The UK isn't a charity. We do what we want, and that includes stripping extremists of their visas (and nationality if necessary). We don't have to have anyone in our country who doesn't align with our national values. Out national values do not include mass rape.

Precipice · 17/05/2024 18:31

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :) No, one cannot. That is the argument of Russia, but it is not reasonable. Espousing it requires the belief that Russia is entitled to maintain a sphere of influence of countries around itself, i.e. that Russia is entitled to keep neighbouring countries partially under Russian control. This argument denies countries which neighbour Russia full sovereignty. Sovereign countries may pursue their own foreign policies based on their own interests, which includes joining international alliances.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:31

CranfordScones · 17/05/2024 16:51

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right..."

It's not an absolute right. Like all rights, it comes with responsibilities. You can't advocate or incite unlawful acts.

Except she did none of that. From the video posted above, she said something along the lines of she is glad it has come to this...she didn't mention hamas specifically and there is a big crowd behind her, reasonable to assume that she is in a protest and that comment could be attributed to that...I.e. I'm glad to see people finally speaking up for the Palestinians. It's just that she so happens to be speaking for a side that the Brits, Americans couldn't care less about. So I'm actually not surprised at the responses on this thread. As I said earlier, the hypocrisy has been badly exposed.

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:26

Minniemooose · 17/05/2024 15:46

I’m glad she’s had her visa revoked! Ta-ta 👋

Yes go away

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:25

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines - previously banned poster.

I knew posters like you would come along and say this..
How does supporting Palestinians and their right to a country, self defence equates to terrorism?