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UK revokes visa of law student who addressed pro-Palestine protest

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NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 13:56

With all the recent threads about the protests, I wonder what everyone thinks about the U.K. Government revoking the visa of 19 year old law student Dana Abuqamar. She said that:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”

She is challenging the decision and has accused the U.K. of hypocrisy. These are her comments, which she said have been taken out of context:

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

I always see written on Mumsnet that “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.”

Do you think the Government’s decision is the correct one?

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https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 18/05/2024 13:50

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 13:38

Absolutely this. I think, as someone else suggested someine supporting terrorism should have their account revoked actually and possibly be reported to the polic. I only saw it briefly so cant remember exactly what it said but supporting Hamas is illegal in this country and Islamist terrorism is a real & present danger to Jews and everyone else.

They said the events of 7th October were 'legitimate restistance'.

The previous poster is right. Someone who describes cutting off a woman's breasts while gang raping her, shooting babies dead in their beds, and burning families alive while filming their screams as 'legitimate resistance' needs to be reported to the police, not just have their posts deleted.

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 13:38

noblegiraffe · 18/05/2024 12:53

Us letting it stand by not reporting it and MNHQ deciding to let it stand after it has been reported are two different things. I'm pretty horrified that it hasn't been deleted.

Absolutely this. I think, as someone else suggested someine supporting terrorism should have their account revoked actually and possibly be reported to the polic. I only saw it briefly so cant remember exactly what it said but supporting Hamas is illegal in this country and Islamist terrorism is a real & present danger to Jews and everyone else.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 18/05/2024 13:34

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 19:08

She never even mentions Oct 7th. She's talking about the Palestinian resistance to the current Israeli onslaught. I guess they're expected to just dig their own graves and lie down and take it?

Away with your lies!

Her comments were made on 8th October before Israel had made any response.

Februaryfeels · 18/05/2024 13:13

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 19:08

She never even mentions Oct 7th. She's talking about the Palestinian resistance to the current Israeli onslaught. I guess they're expected to just dig their own graves and lie down and take it?

She was talking about 7 October. Did you actually watch/listen?

Good riddance to her

noblegiraffe · 18/05/2024 13:13

It has been deleted now. Not sure why it took so long.

noblegiraffe · 18/05/2024 12:53

TabithaTimeTurner · 18/05/2024 12:35

Maybe we should let it stand so we can see the type of people we are dealing with?

Us letting it stand by not reporting it and MNHQ deciding to let it stand after it has been reported are two different things. I'm pretty horrified that it hasn't been deleted.

Kendodd · 18/05/2024 12:49

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No, October 7th didn't happen in a vacuum. But this woman talked about those events bringing her joy. It brought her joy seeing woman raped and killed, children killed, teenagers taken hostage, 1,200 people killed. If you are OK with people celebrating all that, I assume you are OK with people celebrating Israel killing thousands of children in Gaza? Would publicly speaking about how that brought you joy be OK? There are lists of these children's names published online, maybe carrying a placards with some of there pictures crossed out, that would all be OK would it? Free speech and all that.
The only slight point people objecting to this might have, is that if someone did have a placard with dead Israelis names joyfully crossed out, they might be deported, while someone with dead Palestinian names joyfully crossed out might not.
Personally I'd like to see both people deported and take your hateful views with you.

TabithaTimeTurner · 18/05/2024 12:35

noblegiraffe · 18/05/2024 11:47

I've reported the post supporting terrorism and it seems MNHQ have not decided to delete it. I would suggest that others who also don't want terrorism support on MN also report it, because, wtf?

Maybe we should let it stand so we can see the type of people we are dealing with?

Februaryfeels · 18/05/2024 12:03

Myb · 17/05/2024 14:47

There is no such thing as freedom of speech here in this country....the double standards and hypocrisy of UK has been exposed for everyone to see. On one hand this country had a verbal diarrhoea when Russia invaded Ukraine, and on the other hand this very country took part, and still is, in the genocide of Palestinians - over 30K killed. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

She was cheerleading for terrorists

suburburban · 18/05/2024 11:47

There was also that incident in Hartlepool on the news yesterday.

It is quite worrying

www.theguardian.com › apr

noblegiraffe · 18/05/2024 11:47

I've reported the post supporting terrorism and it seems MNHQ have not decided to delete it. I would suggest that others who also don't want terrorism support on MN also report it, because, wtf?

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 11:45

suburburban · 18/05/2024 11:28

The Jews have lived in the UK and have tried to assimilate and never caused any trouble and live a quiet life.

Exactly...which is why I find this current backlash and hatred so mind boggling.

suburburban · 18/05/2024 11:28

The Jews have lived in the UK and have tried to assimilate and never caused any trouble and live a quiet life.

onegrumpyoldwoman · 18/05/2024 10:59

I'm still waiting for some to tell me where the idea of "70+ years of oppression of Palestinians by Israel" came from.

Looks like I'll be waiting a long time 🙄

MrTiddlesTheCat · 18/05/2024 10:52

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You're sick. Absolutely sick.

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 10:48

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Do you really think anyone thinks it just happened out of the blue? No one is that stupid!

Posts like yours, I'm afraid, are counterproductive because they give fuel to Daily Mail readers who can see no other solution than eliminating Gaza from the world map if "as an Arab" you keep presenting 7 Oct as "a legitimate expression of the right of resistance to oppression." What next?

Hamas shot itself in the foot by showing the whole world, not just Israelis and Jews, just what they are capable of. It's not easy to draw a veil over and say "Ah well, never mind, they had their reasons." And if "as an Arab" you stand by them proudly, WTF?!

NotSoBigCrocodile · 18/05/2024 10:35

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This is absolutely chilling.

I wonder if this is something you would only say behind an anonymous account, or whether you have enough integrity to attach your name and face to your beliefs?

It is terrifying to hear a woman say that mass rape of women, children and the elderly is a legitimate act and I don’t understand how, as a society, we have got to this point.

If you think the eradication of oppressors in this manner is a legitimate expression of the right of resistance to oppression, I can’t see why you would have any issue with the eradication of oppressors (including women and children) via gas chambers. What is the difference?

When people look back and wonder how the Holocaust could ever happen, this is how. By assigning labels to human beings and marking them worthy of death.

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noblegiraffe · 18/05/2024 10:20

People who celebrate the terrorism of October 7th should have their visa revoked, people who justify terrorism on MN should have their MN accounts revoked.

Support for terrorism should not be welcome here.

onegrumpyoldwoman · 18/05/2024 10:09

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I don't get this 70+ years of oppression and exploitation of the Palestinian people by the Israelis.

From 1948 to 1967 Gaza was under the military control of Egypt.
It was taken by Israel after the "6 day War" in 1967 (and also Sinai Peninsula)
Israel pulled out of both areas in 2005.

What we now know as the "West Bank" was originally called Transjordan.
It was part of the British Mandate of Palestine and was illegally annexed by Jordan in 1950 and became under the control of Jordan.
Jordan gave all the inhabitants Jordanian passports.
In 1988 Jordan pulled out and cancelled the passports it had given out leaving a lot of people stateless.

So what had Israel to do with all this?

Palestinians living on the West Bank should have a bigger beef with Jordan than Israel IMO

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 18/05/2024 10:07

At last our inept gov makes a good decision.
"Freedom of speech" is not a free for all ie anything goes and that is a fact

When comparing England to many other countries, reasonable people will appreciate what "freedom of speech" really is - they need to go and try it out in China, Russai, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Indonesia, etc, etc

Lovelyview · 18/05/2024 10:07

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I actually feel sick that you think a terrorist massacre in which women and children were raped and murdered is 'legitimate'. Of course it didn't come out of the blue but there could never be any justification for what they did.

JustMaggie · 18/05/2024 09:46

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onegrumpyoldwoman · 18/05/2024 08:26

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 23:29

@Myb
For a passionate champion of free speech, you've done a good job of shutting down opinions you disagree with by having multiple posts by multiple posters modded

Yup.

Mine got removed because I said something uncomplimentary about Smotrich.

So you can't say MN is biased against Israel !

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suburburban · 18/05/2024 08:22

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 23:29

@Myb
For a passionate champion of free speech, you've done a good job of shutting down opinions you disagree with by having multiple posts by multiple posters modded

Yes, free speech isn't really allowed in the UK and people aren't allowed to say what they really think

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