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UK revokes visa of law student who addressed pro-Palestine protest

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NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 13:56

With all the recent threads about the protests, I wonder what everyone thinks about the U.K. Government revoking the visa of 19 year old law student Dana Abuqamar. She said that:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”

She is challenging the decision and has accused the U.K. of hypocrisy. These are her comments, which she said have been taken out of context:

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

I always see written on Mumsnet that “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.”

Do you think the Government’s decision is the correct one?

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https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

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SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 18:58

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1852057049095639237

And here she is doubling down on celebrating 'the breaking of the seige' while pretending that it somehow has nothing to do with the carnage that followed. What a disgraceful judgement.

x.com

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1852057049095639237

inamarina · 31/10/2024 18:50

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:30

Actually she doesn’t say she is full of pride, she says “they” are, and her comments on pride and joy she said was in terms of resisting the 16yr blockade. Nothing about pride and joy over Hamas killing civilians.

She first said she is worried about the mental and physical well being of people there.

What other act of resistance happened on October 7th apart from Hamas killing, raping and kidnapping civilians?
If she wasn’t referring to what Hamas did, what was she referring to?

inamarina · 31/10/2024 18:27

MrTiddlesTheCat · 31/10/2024 17:44

It feels like the judicial system is gaslighting us. We all know what she said, we all heard it. But apparently she didn't say it.

I certainly does seem odd.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 31/10/2024 17:44

It feels like the judicial system is gaslighting us. We all know what she said, we all heard it. But apparently she didn't say it.

FfsBrian · 31/10/2024 17:15

I think there is something very odd happening in our judiciary system at the moment.

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 17:03

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:36

The court was satisfied that she wasn’t expressing support for Hamas or terrorism.

So what the fuck was she talking about when she said on 8th October that she was full of pride that they were fighting back and on the offensive?

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 16:59

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:36

The court was satisfied that she wasn’t expressing support for Hamas or terrorism.

Did they explain what resistance she was referring to? Did they basically rule that she was not all that bright or hadn't bothered to actually listen to the news? Its an odd one, don't you think?

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 31/10/2024 16:36

So she's got to stay. She's not really endeared the cause to the average British heart in the process.

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:36

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 16:32

But the 'resistance' she was referring to was the attack on 7 October. Though at that stage we did not know the full horror of the rapes, torture & mutilation we knew it was an attack on innocent civilians at a music festival & kibbutzim.

The court was satisfied that she wasn’t expressing support for Hamas or terrorism.

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 16:32

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:30

Actually she doesn’t say she is full of pride, she says “they” are, and her comments on pride and joy she said was in terms of resisting the 16yr blockade. Nothing about pride and joy over Hamas killing civilians.

She first said she is worried about the mental and physical well being of people there.

But the 'resistance' she was referring to was the attack on 7 October. Though at that stage we did not know the full horror of the rapes, torture & mutilation we knew it was an attack on innocent civilians at a music festival & kibbutzim.

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:32

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 15:05

Yes dreadful. Awful also that she expressed pride & joy at Oct 7 where so many people also lost relatives. And so many of them have been notable for their compassion & dignity rather than expressing joy at the losses of others. Don't know what its got to do with the issues of her visa.

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“she expressed pride & joy at Oct 7…”

The court ruled that this didn’t happen.
the ruling said, "nowhere does the appellant express support for Hamas specifically, or their actions".
"There is a clearly recognised and fundamental distinction between supporting the Palestinian cause and supporting Hamas and their actions," the judgment added.

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:30

inamarina · 31/10/2024 15:14

Why can’t you comment on how she feels just because you’re not her? She expressed how she feels - joyful and proud.
Interesting that you chose to comment on the fact that’s she’s lost 15 relatives (which is tragic of course), but not on the fact that she was celebrating deaths of other people (equally tragic).

Actually she doesn’t say she is full of pride, she says “they” are, and her comments on pride and joy she said was in terms of resisting the 16yr blockade. Nothing about pride and joy over Hamas killing civilians.

She first said she is worried about the mental and physical well being of people there.

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:21

the ruling said, "nowhere does the appellant express support for Hamas specifically, or their actions".
"There is a clearly recognised and fundamental distinction between supporting the Palestinian cause and supporting Hamas and their actions," the judgment added.
The Home Office, it was found, had failed to demonstrate that her presence in the UK was "not conducive to public good".

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 15:43

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 15:05

Yes dreadful. Awful also that she expressed pride & joy at Oct 7 where so many people also lost relatives. And so many of them have been notable for their compassion & dignity rather than expressing joy at the losses of others. Don't know what its got to do with the issues of her visa.

Edited

Like I said I was just commenting on the article. She just a kid who has endured huge loss. I find that incredibly sad and feel for her. That's it. You can make it some kind of competition if you like but I have no interest.

inamarina · 31/10/2024 15:14

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:58

I can't comment on how she feels, I'm not her. I was commenting on how I felt on reading that a young woman, only a year older than my eldest has had to endure such loss. I didn't realise it would be so controversial to show some empathy in the face of such huge loss.

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Why can’t you comment on how she feels just because you’re not her? She expressed how she feels - joyful and proud.
Interesting that you chose to comment on the fact that’s she’s lost 15 relatives (which is tragic of course), but not on the fact that she was celebrating deaths of other people (equally tragic).

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 15:05

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:35

My point was that losing 15 relatives is an incredible loss. Beyond anything I can imagine and at the age of 19 too. It's awful isn't it?

Yes dreadful. Awful also that she expressed pride & joy at Oct 7 where so many people also lost relatives. And so many of them have been notable for their compassion & dignity rather than expressing joy at the losses of others. Don't know what its got to do with the issues of her visa.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:58

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 14:42

I'm saying that she clearly has no sympathy for people who have aso lost relatives. In fact she thinks it's a good thing.

I can't comment on how she feels, I'm not her. I was commenting on how I felt on reading that a young woman, only a year older than my eldest has had to endure such loss. I didn't realise it would be so controversial to show some empathy in the face of such huge loss.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:55

inamarina · 31/10/2024 14:41

Of course it’s awful. What does it have to do with her expressing her joy right after October 7th though?

It was in the article that was posted. I was commenting on the article.

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 14:42

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:10

I'm not sure what point you are try to make with this post in relation to mine, perhaps you can expand on it? 'Plenty of people' lose multiple relatives so we should harden our hearts to it or what?

I'm saying that she clearly has no sympathy for people who have aso lost relatives. In fact she thinks it's a good thing.

inamarina · 31/10/2024 14:41

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:35

My point was that losing 15 relatives is an incredible loss. Beyond anything I can imagine and at the age of 19 too. It's awful isn't it?

Of course it’s awful. What does it have to do with her expressing her joy right after October 7th though?

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:35

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 14:32

Perhaps you can expand on your point? If I understand the timeline she was expressing her joy at October 7 before she lost relatives in Gaza.

My point was that losing 15 relatives is an incredible loss. Beyond anything I can imagine and at the age of 19 too. It's awful isn't it?

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 14:32

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:10

I'm not sure what point you are try to make with this post in relation to mine, perhaps you can expand on it? 'Plenty of people' lose multiple relatives so we should harden our hearts to it or what?

Perhaps you can expand on your point? If I understand the timeline she was expressing her joy at October 7 before she lost relatives in Gaza.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:10

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 13:55

Plenty of people lost multiple relatives during the terrorist attack that filles her with so much pride and joy.

I'm not sure what point you are try to make with this post in relation to mine, perhaps you can expand on it? 'Plenty of people' lose multiple relatives so we should harden our hearts to it or what?

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 13:55

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 10:26

Abuqamar, who has lost 15 relatives in Gaza since Israel began its bombardment of the besieged enclave.

15 relatives killed in a year, it's hard to comprehend that level of loss.

Plenty of people lost multiple relatives during the terrorist attack that filles her with so much pride and joy.

DiamondGoldandSilver · 31/10/2024 11:51

This is where we need to have legislation which prevents human rights arguments from overriding visa decisions. Staying in the UK on a visa is a privilege. The government needs to be able to revoke visas where the individual is supporting terrorism, and it should be able to do so without qualification. In Australia there is a general ‘good character’ requirement for visas. We should have the same requirement here.

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