Gary Lineker - foot in mouth again

I’m listening to Shani Louk’s father on R4, with slight delay

no words

I am assuming that nobody ever talks about the atrocity of October 7 without also talking about the atrocity of civilian deaths in Gaza.

Oh I assure you they are

@YaMuvva "TBH if he can’t even condemn October 7 that does make me think he’s very “meh” about it"

Nobody is "meh" about October 7.

“Ahoy Jews! Over here! I’m not antisemitic like that Labour bunch, see I did a speech outside no 10!” and Jews just went “STFU”

😂

100%

TBH if he can’t even condemn October 7 that does make me think he’s very “meh” about it

Given the scale of the marches, social media reach, the fact every other celebrity are showing their support is be amazed at anyone claiming the suffering of Gazans is being ignored

However violent antisemitism is sharply on the rise and this is directly linked to October 7th. You can’t show support for Jewish people without being called a Zionist (like it’s an insult) or being told you support genocide. Pro-Palestinians have NO interest in the suffering of Jewish people IME and only want to know the Jews whose views align with theirs, and use this as an example of ‘allyship’ when it isn’t.

I don’t know anyone who didn’t think that Rishi Sunak’s speech was a total joke. He is NOT an ally of Jewish people - he just uses us as a way of saying “Ahoy Jews! Over here! I’m not antisemitic like that Labour bunch, see I did a speech outside no 10!” and Jews just went “ STFU”. Sunak cannot physically give an opinion on anything without trashing Labour, it’s his MO and this is just an extension of that. In my humble opinion anyway.

Such gravitas. Such moral seriousness. How is the man not our prime minister????😂

There are people who think that the suffering of Jewish people is being ignored and there are people who think that the suffering of Palestinian people is being ignored.

Are there genuinely many every day people, who only see the suffering of one side?

While we argue about who said or didn’t say what, there are people in Gaza being killed for the simple fact they live there, hostages still being held by Hamas, and hate crimes against Jewish and Muslim people are rising.

And while we (the public) get ourselves all (understandably) worked up and become further divided as tensions heighten, what the fuck are our leaders doing to unite us and stop this hatred which is spreading like a disease?

All we got was Rishi Sunaks shitty political speech which literally achieved nothing and listed a load of potential control measures, which might be useful if there was also some sort of plan to address the actual reasons for there being so much upset and high emotions and with an idea of how to manage this. But no, it all started with the protests apparently, and this could be dealt with via increasing control over the terrible public. It was absolutely nothing to do with the government supporting the mass killing of civilians. Funny isn’t it that civilians would be upset about that. Funny isn’t it that his speech actually probably resulted in more division. I don’t want to vilify Rishi Sunak here because we obviously don’t live in a dictatorship and it could be a lot worse, but surely somebody needs to do better, because I’m not sure things are getting better.

What is the plan? Does anybody actually know????

He said ""Obviously, we all know October 7 happened but the minute you raise your voice against what they're now doing you get accused of being a supporter of Hamas and this kind of stuff."

Pretty sure he didn't say "the Hamas thing"

Happy to be proved wrong. Well, not happy, but YSWIM.

No it wasn't. The 'Hamas thing' was separate.

Was that “the Hamas thing” @TextureSeeker or did he say more? That’s all I heard reported but I didn’t listen to the full interview so happy to be corrected.

He acknowledged Oct 7. He didn't centre it but he didn't ignore it.

@Auvergne63 can only speak for myself but if I was making a public comment on the situation I would of course talk about about both sides. I just can’t imagine not doing that.

This thread is fundamentally about the horrendous situation in Gaza as referred to my Gary Lineker. It has already been acknowledged so perhaps posters don’t feel it’s necessary to explicitly refer to it again.

Your double standard is quite shocking. Your demand that every time someone mentions the Palestinians' suffering, they also must mention the Israelis' suffering.
In comparison, every time the Israelis' suffering is mentioned, I don't see you and other posters mentioning the Palestinians' suffering at the same time.
Why is that?

I meant the response to me that you picked up on was predictable not your response apologies for confusion

Chacun a son goût i guess. Personally I find fools on twitter who know almost nothing mangling serious issues distasteful but it’s a free country

@Teddleshon "And most people don’t just dismiss Jewish suffering"

No, they don't.

What I wish is that someone would come up with an acceptable form of words which expresses sincere horror and grief at the horror that is Hamas that we can use before we make any comment on the deaths of civilians in Gaza.

He is a highly paid presenter because he is good at what he does. The money he received is payment for his services. He is still allowed to have opinions on bombing babies, we all are.

Why is it predictable exactly?
People on here have suggested that GL can only say the deaths are awful if he prefaces it with support for Israel

@Auvergne63 because he only has this high profile because he is the highest paid presenter on the State Broadcaster. And most people don’t just dismiss Jewish suffering.

Obviously not. Predictable response