Gary Lineker - foot in mouth again

Well I can post as I wish but does my mentioning it make you feel uncomfortable?

@Dulra

"Surely it would be removal of Hamas and removal of the Netanyahu government not the state of Israel"

Well Netanyahu can be removed through a democratic election whereas the same cannot be said for Hamas which runs a brutal dictatorship.

Also whether Netanyahu is removed or not is a decision for Israeli voters and in a democracy it is always possible that he is replaced by someone even more hardline.

Was that in dispute?
Unsure why you need to mention it just because someone highlights anti Palestinian hate they have heard.

I am saying equating hearing views on business shouldn’t really end up with this answer in your pp

1. Hard to say, I would like to think not but having heard some Israeli and/or Jewish people describe Palestinians in frankly awful terms I am not completely sure.

And Jewish people of course are some of those who have felt that kind of language and action the most

Are you suggesting that I am not being truthful?
I am neither Muslim or Jewish, I have literally no skin in this game and had no real opinion on the Palestine/Israel situation beyone acknowledging that there had always been atrocities on both sides
I visited Tel Aviv in person twice on Business and also attended a couple of online conferences as we had clients there and we were trying to win more.
My boss was an Indian lady and she warned me that I might hear some uncomfortable political opinions and that I needed to be diplomatic - she also said that she was treated quite well "once they discovered she wasn't a muslim"
I did not start any conversations about Politics at all but was given unsolicited opinions on Palestinians regularly, a lot of which I found quite shocking as I was dealing with educated people who I didn't expect to say the things they did. Perhaps I was unfortunate to just mix with Israelis who held such opinions but of the people I met around 75% said things I felt at a minimum uncomfortable with.
It was assumed that I held the same opinion as I was British.
I am in no way defending Hamas and I dont' think GL was either. It is possible to abhor the deaths of civilians in Gaza and not be a Hamas apologist

Many nationalities speak in ways that would fall into that category

But we don’t suggest what is being suggested as a result re deaths

It’s still a bold assertion in answer to the question posed

Sadly, I've also encountered this, in the form of dehumanising, prejudiced and hate-filled language, views and behaviour expressed and demonstrated towards Palestinians in particular and Muslims in general. Not only have I encountered it myself, but Israeli friends of mine have also shared with me their own experiences of encountering it.

Well the responsibility for innocent civilian deaths is with Hamas and the State of Israel. So the solution is either removal of Hamas or removal of the State of Israel or removal of both.

Surely it would be removal of Hamas and removal of the Netanyahu government not the state of Israel

Hmm what you are suggesting is quite bold and it makes me consider if there is your own skew there

1. Probably not but I am not privvy to their methods or what others are available to them. I don't think Hamas care about ordinary Palestinians in general
2. Hamas around 70% if I have to put a figure on it

I used to do Business in Israel with Israeli people

@CurlewKate

"However, I would question a form of words that puts full responsibility for civilian deaths on one side."

Well the responsibility for innocent civilian deaths is with Hamas and the State of Israel. So the solution is either removal of Hamas or removal of the State of Israel or removal of both.

Of these solutions my personal opinion is that the removal of Hamas is the easier and most realistic to achieve compared to the removal of the state of Israel.

@1dayatatime I'm glad that someone has had a go-I realise it was a very difficult request. However, I would question a form of words that puts full responsibility for civilian deaths on one side.

@onegrumpyoldwoman The questioner used the term "ordinary Palestinian". I assume she meant civilians.

@Limesodaagain

"In terms of Hamas “leaving “ Gaza. That’s up to the Palestinians. ( I hope they do kick Hamas out and I hope the Israelis get rid of Netanyahu)"

I would agree with you on both Hamas and Netanyahu. The problem is how?

Netanyahu can be removed in a democratic election. But there is no democracy in Gaza, Hamas rule by dictatorship and fear. Dictatorships tend to be removed by force either by internal parties or external parties.

I would be happy to accept
"I wish that Hamas and its leaders and operatives free all remaining hostages (even if most have already been killed) in order to stop the killing and suffering of ordinary and innocent civilians - as per the original Egyptian peace proposal. “
In terms of Hamas “leaving “ Gaza. That’s up to the Palestinians. ( I hope they do kick Hamas out and I hope the Israelis get rid of Netanyahu)

Edited to add - I would have liked if the Pro Palestine marches could have included the sentiments above.

How about this:

"I wish that Hamas and its leaders and operatives leave Gaza and free all remaining hostages (even if most have already been killed) in order to stop the killing and suffering of ordinary and innocent civilians - as per the original Egyptian peace proposal.

If (as some would argue) Israel continued killing innocent and unarmed civilians after the hostages (alive and dead) and after Hamas had left then this would completely remove any support from their western allies most notably the United States."

@Underthinker "1 Do you think it would be possible for Israel to attack Hamas as effectively with significantly fewer civilian casualties than now? If so how?
2 To what extent do you place the blame for the suffering of ordinary Palestinians on the Israel Govt vs. on Hamas? e.g. 90/10, 50/50"

1. a) Yes.

2.Once again-I don't know how to make that sort of calculation. And I don't think it's helpful to try. I certainly do not place any blame of "ordinary Palestinians" and they seem to be bearing the brunt of the conflict.

Couple more questions then..
1 Do you think it would be possible for Israel to attack Hamas as effectively with significantly fewer civilian casualties than now? If so how?
2 To what extent do you place the blame for the suffering of ordinary Palestinians on the Israel Govt vs. on Hamas? e.g. 90/10, 50/50?

I would like to think not but having heard some Israeli and/or Jewish people describe Palestinians in frankly awful terms

Where do you hear this?

Well as I am not "anti Israel" I probably shouldn't answer but anyway

1. yes
2. Hard to say, I would like to think not but having heard some Israeli and/or Jewish people describe Palestinians in frankly awful terms I am not completely sure.

He's not making these comments when he's working for the BBC. He's entitled to have opinions on current affairs.