Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

The victim blaming is absolutely appalling. If you are pro Israel just come out and say that you think what is happening is justified, but please stop making the starvation, homelessness and genocide out to be the fault of the people. Please just have the balls to take off the blinkers and acknowledge the carnage the Israeli government are purposely creating. But Hamas, human shields, stupid people not moving somewhere safe...it has got so tiring.

(I have family who didn't manage to flee Europe, so only one member of my family survived the Holocaust after years in a ghetto and then concentration camps, and other family who did manage to flee Iraq. But they only managed that because of help from Kurdish and Iranians who helped smuggle them out. That level of help hasn't been available to people in Gaza)

While there were people celebrating, there were also lots that weren't and who knew exactly what was coming as a direct result of Hamas' actions. They wouldn't have been able to leave though as people can't just leave Gaza as and when because of the strict border controls. It can take a very long time to get permission to leave. It's a whole process, you can't just get in the car and drive to Israel or Egypt. Unless you're Hamas, of course, in which case you just use a tunnel to get out. Innocent civilians don't have that luxury.

Well said @Yalta

Do you have any idea how offensive that is? Victim Blaming at its best

Assume what you like... because you will anyway

Assume what you like... because you will anyway

Are you serious? Obviously I didn't agree with that either. Did that really need to be said? I replied to someone saying the Palestinians should have left.

Your post is just offensive. Considering how many Palestinians in Gaza have lost their lives and you are suggesting they are at fault because they didn't flee!

They just go anywhere but where the danger is.
Yeah try doing that on a 41km strip of land with border closed, not as simple as you appear to make out

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13440533/Michael-Gove-warn-surge-anti-Semitism-Britain-canary-coal-countries-descending-darkness-dangerous-Jews.html

Most people when seeing that they are facing mortal danger don’t bother with the fact they don’t have anywhere to go. They just go anywhere but where the danger is.

I think those that stayed were probably too busy celebrating and obviously didn’t think that there would be consequences

My question was how many saw that there would be consequences and left

I'm starting to think we'll never get an answer to why they were knowingly spreading misinformation. So I guess it's safe to assume it was, as previously mentioned, in order to minimise antisemitism but also to put the blame squarely at the feet of Jewish people or those who do their best to support Jewish people, like Keir Starmer.

Why so you speak like I have an agenda, and I'm not just a normal person with opinions?

Normal people don’t have those opinions.

You could ask the displaced within Israel the same thing. Turns out the iron dome and household bomb shelters aren't enough against determined psychopaths.
Or are you suggesting that Israeli civilians aren't innocent?

But you say the fact that they didn't flee makes it look bad for them. Most likely they didn't have anywhere to go. Are you saying they deserved it for staying? That's a really sad way of looking at it.

I'm impressed with how you've made yourself into the victim here though. You spread misinformation and make some pretty outrageous comments but really, you're the victim here because people aren't willing to let it slide?

If there is something that needs answering then sure, go ahead and ask me again. I think it's pretty important to figure out why you're contributing to an increase in antisemitism by stirring up hatred by knowingly spreading misinformation.

It's not bullying to try and get an answer as to why you are knowingly spreading misinformation about antisemitism 😅

The same reason my family fled mainland Europe as Hitler drove up the main road in the town being feted by their friends and neighbours

To save their own lives because the consequences weren’t going to be good if they had stayed

I'm still waiting all of your answers to points I've made. You've ignored every one. Should I go back and demand you respond to each?

Why so you speak like I have an agenda, and I'm not just a normal person with opinions? I find that really offensive, that you bully anyone with a counter argument and accuse them of having an agenda

Absolutely

And you've been repeatedly told some of your opinions are both factually incorrect and incredibly offensive.

And that is why, mon amie, I stand by what I said.

@HelenHen still waiting for your explanation as to why you were purposely spreading an incorrect definition of antisemitism on a thread about antisemitism. What were you trying to achieve by doing so?

Why should any innocent person have had to leave their home?

Free Palestine was a sign I saw in a car

Free it from what??

The consequences of its own actions?

What did the Palestinian people expect when they were celebrating the attack on Israel
Did they seriously expect no consequences.

I would like to know, when the October 7th attack was first heard of, how many Palestinian families packed up and ran for the borders leaving their neighbours to their celebrations.