Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

I denounced anti semitism , calling people sheep for opposing the murder of thousands of children is not antisemitism though. The world antisemitism gets thrown about constantly.

Never again should apply to everybody , it’s not a phrase owned by any single community.

Well no because Israel is a government not a Jewish terrorist groups whose aims are steeped in Judaism (as a religion not a race) extremism.

Imagine sending your child to a Jewish school in the UK. Which is what this thread is about

That’s not true though is it, at all.
You are making grossly offensive statements about Jewish people and the Holocaust, on a thread about anti-Jewish terrorism and making it about Palestinians.

That really depends on whether you think extra judicial killing of innocent Palestinians in the West Bank as terrorism. Or the violence against Palestinians in the West Bank at the hands of Jewish settlers. This must terrify Palestinians in the West Bank. Imagine sending your child to school in the current hostile climate in the West Bank.

Thousands of Jews who have marched against this genocide , and have spoken up have also been labelled antisemitic!

I doubt that.

But I find the pro-Palestinians who think they are Jewish allies because they support the Jews who agree with them (but no others) deeply troubling

We all wonder why common Germans didn’t speak up during the Holocaust.

Ironically, you think this is a ‘gotcha’ but actually it’s because progroms started in Europe about 20 years before WW2 when the Jews were blamed for the turmoil following the Russian Revolution. Thus began a 20 year campaign of once again blaming Jews for everything, telling people they were your enemy and they were out to get normal everyday people, using the media to drip feed anti-Semitic message and ignoring the rise in hate crimes because there was a silent agreement it was deserved. By the time 1930’s came round the Nazis had already built on 20 years of hate and propoganda so that when Jewish people were ordered into ghettos, people didn’t stop it happening - they stood by and cheered.

To compare ‘common people’ ignoring the murder of six million Jews following 20 years of propoganda to not joining in on a March, is absolutely disgraceful and unacceptable.

BTW you need to brush up on your history. Germany made up a relatively small number of the Jews murderer in the Holocaust

Just checked off ‘universalization of the Holocaust’ on mine.

What's your point?

By the way, did you google "holocaust inversion"? You might learn something and modify your own behaviour.

The only people being annihilated are the Palestinians at the moment.

You need to look up the meaning of "holocaust inversion".

Is it not meant to be never again for everyone?

Never again refers to the Holocaust
So no it doesn’t please dine appropriate an anti-hate movement with a group that don’t belong there.

We can call out antisemitism and the genocidal intent and actions of the Israeli regime at the same time.

Except you don’t. You come on a thread about a terrorist against Jewish people in the U.K. and the thing that upsets you the most is that someone used the word ‘sheep’ about protestors not the attempted annihilation of a minority group. You even appear to compare the two as being bad as each other!!

Could you not make Holocaust analogies on a thread about a terrorist threat against Jewish people?

Why the hypocrisy?

We all wonder why common Germans didn’t speak up during the Holocaust.

It’s just a sustained effort to silence anyone who speaks about against Israel.

Thousands of Jews who have marched against this genocide , and have spoken up have also been labelled antisemitic!

@Doveytail There is nothing disgusting about @TabithaTimeTurner statement

Mindless sheep is a very mild description

I've ticked 'genocide' on my bingo card.

Is it not meant to be never again for everyone?

Another classic that's thrown in our faces

I knew we should have played bingo

This is a disgusting statement.
Any form of hate crime is despicable, in the same breath calling people while are making a stand against genocide sheep is abhorrent.

Is it not meant to be never again for everyone?

It’s become apparent in the last few months that it isn’t unfortunately. We can call out antisemitism and the genocidal intent and actions of the Israeli regime at the same time.

The marches happen in large area which happen to be also places with relatively high Jewish population. It’s not purposeful, after all people can’t help that the London is the political heart of the UK and also has the highest population of Jewish people in the UK. But the ‘river to the sea’ chant calls for the extermination of Jewish people, Nazi placards being carried (and police doing nothing about it) and other hateful messages. Wether you mean to or not that DOES make Jewish people feel physically unsafe in their own city, and for reasons I stated earlier, there IS a direct link between the increase in anti-Semitic attacks and the rise in Pro-Palestinian support. And yes, the marches happening under the nose of Jewish people is part of that.
Im not saying don’t March. I’m saying when you do please be mindful of how this impacts Jewish people, how intimidating it can be when you KNOW a not insignificant number of people are on the March because they hate Jewish people, and the messaging it sends to regular British Jews (most of whom have no affiliation to Israel) who just want to go about their day.

We should call out antisemitic placards and chants. They are not acceptable. There has been a surge of support for Palestinians in Gaza, but the root cause of that is surely what is happening in Gaza? It’s human nature to sympathise with those suffering- just as I can sympathise with Jewish citizens feeling vulnerable at this time.

If the marches didn’t happen- are you saying that there would not be an appreciable threat to Jewish citizens outside of Israel? I think there would still be a significant threat- due to what is happening in Gaza and photos being shared widely on social media. I imagine a lot of the grooming of people vulnerable to extremism occurs online. Attending peaceful march in itself would probably not be seen as a significant risk of indoctrination (given the tens of thousands who have participated) whilst social media influences probably would be.

The rise in antisemitism was noted immediately after 7/10 - which is dreadful, and suggests underlying worrying antisemitism in the West - but this cannot be blamed on the marches?

The issue is that extremism isn’t borne from nowhere. Extremism builds off of existing prejudices, and the more a prejudice builds (by not being called out, by being minimised and by being silenced entirely) the more this enables the extremism to build.

Anti-Semitic attacks have risen 250% worldwide and in 500% in some please, since October 7th. That’s not a coincidence. It’s almost acceptable as a result of the Hamas attack - and when hate towards a group becomes acceptable, it give extremists an ‘in’. It lets them build a network, have conversations about their hateful ambitions, and opens up safe space with people who will not challenge them.

The fact that the rise in anti-semitism is undoubtedly linked to the sudden surge of pro-Palestinian supporters tells me that those shooters are EXACTLY the people who should be checking their prejudices and calling out anti-semitism. There’s no reason at all they can’t do this whilst supporting Palestine if it is indeed not about hating Jewish people but supporting the people of Gaza.

I can understand that the marches make Jews who live in the area afraid, but I don’t think the marches are responsible for extreme terrorist threats. Marches by - in excess- are being undertaken by peaceful ordinary citizens and they cannot be held responsible for those with extremist views.

What I think will be the most powerful motivator is the images coming out of Gaza, and its impact on people who already feel estranged and vulnerable to indoctrination.

When I see the marches, I see people wanting to help Palestinians- it doesn’t make me feel anger about what’s happening in Gaza. I feel hopeful that people may influence our future government and that this may influence their policies towards ME in a meaningful way to promote a 2SS and peace. Military experts are saying Israel’s aim to eradicate Hamas is not going to work, but they need to sidelined and an alternative supported. This has not been Netanyahu’s policy towards Hamas. It would be great if we could also see people marching against deaths in the Congo and other places, although- other than in the Yemen, I have not seen our MPs condoning or supporting those responsible for the deaths- so not sure what the point of marching would be.

When I see images of endless children blown up/ burnt/ with lost limbs and their grieving families, I feel anger and sadness. Imagine what those images do to someone who is vulnerable to hold extremist views.

And no, I don’t think Jewish citizens should have to openly condemn Israel’s actions and I feel incredibly sad to hear armed vehicles are required to protect playing children. Just as I feel horror to see Palestinian children being killed whilst playing by IDF snipers. They are all innocent.

They want us to STFU.

Way to make a thread about the threat on Jewish population about you. How uncharacteristic for Pro-Palestinian supporters.

I mean words must hurt if you’re 5 years old but Jewish people are facing a real, violent threat. Do you have any idea how terrifying it is for Jewish people in the U.K. right now?