Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

It's a shame that people will appear on a thread about an actual planned antisemitic attack to go on about how loads of Jews can't be trusted to say what is antisemitic.

There are now thousands of threads about gaza.

How about you allow people to discuss a foiled terrorist plot here in the UK and go post elsewhere.

Are UK Jewish people not allowed this thread. Go wobble your brain a bit.

@localnotail Thank you for your post.

Wow mumsnet, this is a thread about the Jewish community under threat in the UK.

Foiled terrorist attack in the UK on Jewish people who live on the UK and probably other people around also killed. Major for security in this country. This is not acceptable at all. Fortunately, they have been arrested and hopefully will be locked away for the safety of all.

The antisemitism, the what about the ...., the ridiculousness. Where's the care and concern for members of OUR society (this is a UK website, so predominantly UK mn?). It feels like a race to the bottom on here.

I believe that the word antisemitism is used more frequently because of a real rise in hate towards Jewish people, but unfortunately also because it is used as a
way of shutting down criticism of Israel (I mean the government when I say this).

It’s a shame that in among the very real concerns about the rise in antisemitism there are less honourable people who will muddy the waters by using this word when it doesn’t apply.

It’s fine @Marjoriefrobisher i knew what you meant and I agree with you completely.

BTW love your username haven’t heard that name in years!

Sorry @YaMuvva - when I made those comments o was talking about the person you were replying to not you! Just realised my comment could have been misconstrued

This behaviour is very typical. Everyone must hear - endlessly, constantly - from me about my very enlightened and humane views. And any dissent will be taken as personal attack.
Aside from the anti semitism, it’s the narcissism of so many of participants that makes these marches so repellent to me.

It’s a shame that these people are incapable of reflecting why the term anti-semitism comes up so consistently.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Yes this includes being pro-Israel

I totally agree.
everyone should be safe from hate speech here.
this is why I’m so fearful for our country.
the Muslims in British mosques are no more to blame for 9/11 as the Jewish people worshipping in our synagogues to blame for Israel government.

I would like to add - unless you hold extreme, radical views that go against the laws of this country, you should be free and safe regardless of the political onions you subscribe to. This applies to everyone.

'The hearing was told the pair were accused of plotting an attack designed to cause "multiple fatalities using automatic weapons".

Prosecutor Rebecca Waller said the alleged plan had been inspired by the Islamic State group.'

Awful.

Thank you and yes. Those on the left rightly condemned people hassling British Muslims to condemn 9/11 and it's a slap in the face to see those same people on the left demanding the same of British Jews and dismissing Jewish voices unless they say the "right thing" on Gaza.

What I find absolutely disguising is that when 9/11 happened, there were some attacks and blame on ordinary Muslims - and no one, NO ONE in their right mind told them, quite rightly, that they should only be safe if they denounce radical Islam. All sane people rallied to protect their Muslim fellow citizens, there were no discussion. What I see now, is that ordinary Jews are NOT protected. They are, basically, alone. No one feels like they want to defend them - unless they do this, that, denounce Zionism (btw - wtf is wrong for a nation or oppressed people to settle and have their own country? Would you condemn Palestinians for wanting to have a country? Or any other oppressed nation?).
Its like everyone hated them anyway and now they have a reason not to hide it. I fucking hate it, and I'm absolutely terrified of where it might go.

I'm not Jewish btw but I came from an Eastern European country and I grew up knowing what happened to Jewish population in the city I grew up in. Nazi Germans killed them, very calmly and methodically, in an organised and well planned manner - unarmed women, kids, adults. Everyone. Over 30,000 people in total in two days period. Shot, and then buried, in layers, witnesses said ground used to move for days after as not all people where dead when they were buried. Even writing it makes me cry. Would you question, after reading this, why Jewish people want to have their own country, and why they want to defend it with all their might?

Anyone suffering from a mental health condition could be tipped into something dangerous

I think it's important to be specific about what mental health condition you are referring to such as psychosis or something. We need to be careful not to label people who have mental health illnesses as dangerous or easily manipulated.

But yes their actions do not sound like someone of sound mind. Extremely worrying

Poor man.
im genuinely concerned for Britain's future. For some reason this level of vocal hate has been allowed to become acceptable. And I’m worried.

apple.news/AtH5ZKw0XStu3pPuo6pEAJA

Article in the guardian.

I am sorry, but there has been so much explicit anti semitism at these marches that inferences are inevitably drawn about those who continue to associate themselves with them.

I think she might be mentally unwell. But I think the paranoia/ conspiracy theories and online nastiness is adding to existing mental health problems. Anyone suffering from a mental health condition could be tipped into something dangerous by what’s going on at the moment. That’s why we all have a duty to try to call out or tone down the nasty rhetoric .

History is not their strong point.

Absolutely terrifying this is happening on the streets of London. Where the hell will it end?

Bloody hell.

She allegedly told a Jewish man that he is a “provocation” before specifying “you people, you Jewish...all the trouble you’re creating in the world.”

When asked what she meant, she allegedly replied: “Who do you think started the Second World War? You, the Jewish, started the Second World War.”

https://twitter.com/antisemitism/status/1791065598446670205

Another incident in Stamford Hill. A woman brandishing a knife and shouting abuse at a Jewish man.

Well said Giraffe.

This was a march in New York yesterday, it's really not a good look.

https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1790895503455944790

https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1790908038813016353

If protestors persist in glorifying Hamas and the Houthis, terrorist groups whose message is effectively 'kill Jews', and the majority are quite content to join the protest knowing fine well these malign elements are present (effectively legitimising their behaviour), this is why we shouldn't be surprised if it spills out into 'real life' too, away from the marches. And it's no wonder so many from the Jewish community are now wanting to move to a country, which if we're being honest is considerably less safe than the UK, but the motivation to go is understandable.

Which is why, despite being left wing and Jewish, I reserve a particularly disdain for Jewish people joining these protests. The ones who have apparently never seen any antisemitism there and just so happen to have had their eyes closed when the countless examples of Jew-hate have been posted on social media. And any kind of antisemitic violence they will only acknowledge if that violence is coming from the right.

I don't have X but after seeing your comment I wanted to know what happened - what the actual fuck?! How did X not see the blatant antisemitism?! They weren't even hiding it!