Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

This very much sounds as if you are justifying anti semitic threats on ordinary Jewish citizens. I hope I am wrong. If so please explain.

You are right, this thread is about threats to Jewish citizens and the underlying causes have been mentioned.

I agree that it is wrong to expect Jewish citizens to denounce Israel, but I think it is another matter to not expect people to minimise what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza - hence my post.

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks.

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks

What a load of crap

So, still no evidence. Those of us who have been paying attention are very, very used to this.
then the withdrawal from challenge coupled with emotional blackmail (all the people who challenge me are bad).
so sick of this. Back up what you say or expect to be called on it.

You are right, this thread is about threats to Jewish citizens and the underlying causes have been mentioned.

I agree that it is wrong to expect Jewish citizens to denounce Israel, but I think it is another matter to not expect people to minimise what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza - hence my post.

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks.

You are right, this thread is about threats to Jewish citizens and the underlying causes have been mentioned.

I agree that it is wrong to expect Jewish citizens to denounce Israel, but I think it is another matter to not expect people to minimise what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza - hence my post.

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks.

There are now thousands of threads about gaza.

How about you allow people to discuss a foiled terrorist plot here in the UK and go post elsewhere.

Are UK Jewish people not allowed this thread. Go wobble your brain a bit.

I stand by what I wrote and if you care to look you will find evidence.

I’m not going to discuss this any further as you are not open to seeing this as a factor and I don’t want to get into a disagreement. This might detract from those who feel genuinely scared or have suffered hate, from being able to have supportive conversations.

I stand by what I wrote and if you care to look you will find evidence.

I’m not going to discuss this any further as you are not open to seeing this as a factor and I don’t want to get into a disagreement. This might detract from those who feel genuinely scared or have suffered hate, from being able to have supportive conversations.

You say something like 'this placard of a Jewish baby being fed the blood of Palestinian children is antisemitic' and someone will say 'oh, so I'm antisemitic because I don't support Israel then?'.

It has become quite tedious, the assumption that any discussion of antisemitism isn't about genuine antisemitism but merely criticism of Israel.

It doesn't help that some people wouldn't recognise antisemitism if it smacked them in the face.

There's been another London incident now:

"Central London: Islamists chase a Jewish man through the streets while screaming “Jew! Jew!” In Arabic. "

https://twitter.com/IncMonocle/status/1791182677975924790

There's been another London incident now:

"Central London: Islamists chase a Jewish man through the streets while screaming “Jew! Jew!” In Arabic. "

https://twitter.com/IncMonocle/status/1791182677975924790

The claim that allegations of anti semitism are used to shut down criticism of Israel are tediously ubiquitous but never supported by any evidence of actual instances of this.
If one wanted to be as boring as the people making this claim, one might say that claims that allegations of anti semitism are used to silence criticism of Israel are used to silence criticism of anti semitism.
and so it goes on. Ultimately you have to deal with the fact that really flagrant demonstrations of anti semitism are now associated with your cause. And people draw inferences from that. Scream all you want but you can’t stop that.

I would not have seen or said this in my 20's or 30's.

This is my experience. I have also changed my mind on this.

The UN has issued more resolutions against Israel, than all other member states combined - including Iran, North Korea, Russia, Sudan etc.

Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, the only place in the Middle East where you can be a gay Muslim, living openly, is the place that has received the most human rights condemnations compared to any other country in the Middle East, or even the world.

Something isn’t quite right about that.

There's been another London incident now:

"Central London: Islamists chase a Jewish man through the streets while screaming “Jew! Jew!” In Arabic. "

https://twitter.com/IncMonocle/status/1791182677975924790

https://twitter.com/antisemitism/status/1791065598446670205

Another incident in Stamford Hill. A woman brandishing a knife and shouting abuse at a Jewish man.

It’s fine @Marjoriefrobisher i knew what you meant and I agree with you completely.

BTW love your username haven’t heard that name in years!

I believe that the word antisemitism is used more frequently because of a real rise in hate towards Jewish people, but unfortunately also because it is used as a
way of shutting down criticism of Israel (I mean the government when I say this).

It’s a shame that in among the very real concerns about the rise in antisemitism there are less honourable people who will muddy the waters by using this word when it doesn’t apply.

Yes they aren’t the only people being killed , does that mean we just sit back and allow it?

Palestinians are not just Muslims.
The rate at which the murder and genocide is being conducted is unprecedented as quoted by Amnesty international and the UN, which is what makes it different to other conflicts.

My tax money is being used to fund this genocide I have right to protest - I don’t want my money being used to murder children.

I disagreed with the view that people protesting this genocide are sheep - or joining protests because they are antisemitic.
I have seen people from all walks of life at the protests including many Jews.

This doesn’t take away from the the fact that there has been a rise in antisemitism and Jews are feeling unsafe.