Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

Can I just say adding to a conversation earlier that when this was happening to Muslims in the early 00’s - ie an expectation form some quarters to answer for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, being racially profiled by police etc (and it was really bad at one point, Islamophobia shot through the roof) - from my memory the Jewish community were a very good ally to Muslims and called out hate and racism and stood with them side by side. As did many other communities.

I do have to say I feel that as a Jewish person i feel now the world has turned onto us, that we are very alone and fighting within our own small community albeit with a number of very adored allies. But I don’t think I see whole communities rallying to protect us.

I don't want to derail this thread but I did want to respond to your question of evidence. The biggest culprit imo is Netanyahu. He has called nations such as US, UK and organisations such as UN and ICC antisemitic for not agreeing with aspects of the conflict. I did post at the time that I felt his rhetoric was minimising the term antisemitism and as a result making Jews less safe because it would become like the boy who cried wolf. I think that is doing Jews a real disservice

Umm but people were(are) afraid of Muslims because a lot of people claiming to be Muslims were blowing things up and doing other gruesome stuff.

I don't think people are scared of Jews. I think the silent majority can see what's happening. They just too scared to say anything.

Why is that doing Jews a disservice? Why are Jews - many of whom live in countries which are not israel - to be identified with him? Why are the pronouncements of one self serving politician being offered as evidence that accusations of anti semitism are disingenuous?
so many questions. So much flawed thinking. Underpinned by prejudice.

Why is that doing Jews a disservice? Why are Jews - many of whom live in countries which are not israel - to be identified with him? Why are the pronouncements of one self serving politician being offered as evidence that accusations of anti semitism are disingenuous?
so many questions. So much flawed thinking. Underpinned by prejudice.

That is true - and genocide is a high bar. But there have also been some who don’t think see actions of the IDF as being morally wrong. And this can be extremely demoralising when it’s also a person in power.

Umm but people were(are) afraid of Muslims because a lot of people claiming to be Muslims were blowing things up and doing other gruesome stuff.

I don't think people are scared of Jews. I think the silent majority can see what's happening. They just too scared to say anything.

Can I just say adding to a conversation earlier that when this was happening to Muslims in the early 00’s - ie an expectation form some quarters to answer for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, being racially profiled by police etc (and it was really bad at one point, Islamophobia shot through the roof) - from my memory the Jewish community were a very good ally to Muslims and called out hate and racism and stood with them side by side. As did many other communities.

I do have to say I feel that as a Jewish person i feel now the world has turned onto us, that we are very alone and fighting within our own small community albeit with a number of very adored allies. But I don’t think I see whole communities rallying to protect us.

I don't want to derail this thread but I did want to respond to your question of evidence. The biggest culprit imo is Netanyahu. He has called nations such as US, UK and organisations such as UN and ICC antisemitic for not agreeing with aspects of the conflict. I did post at the time that I felt his rhetoric was minimising the term antisemitism and as a result making Jews less safe because it would become like the boy who cried wolf. I think that is doing Jews a real disservice

What I was suggesting was that it is completely understandable to not expect Jewish citizens to criticise Israel, but if people- any person- minimises the actions of IDF or settlers, this create a sense that their actions are actually being condoned.

According to many, many posters on here, anything but argreeing that Israel is committing genocide is "minimisation" though.

Can I plan a terrorist plot against the Catholics in Australia for the abuse by priests in Boston? Because I have a HUGE grievance about the abuse by priests. Would it be reasonable to do that in Australian Catholics?

I stand by what I wrote and if you care to look you will find evidence.

I’m not going to discuss this any further as you are not open to seeing this as a factor and I don’t want to get into a disagreement. This might detract from those who feel genuinely scared or have suffered hate, from being able to have supportive conversations.

Ordinary Jewish people in the west can in no way be held responsible for what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank.
What I was suggesting was that it is completely understandable to not expect Jewish citizens to criticise Israel, but if people- any person- minimises the actions of IDF or settlers, this create a sense that their actions are actually being condoned.
There is a risk our politicians have done this- and this can increase sense for vulnerable people at risk of extremism of being isolated and increase their sense of grievance - which may increase risks of terrorism.

Ordinary Jewish people in the west can in no way be held responsible for what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank.
What I was suggesting was that it is completely understandable to not expect Jewish citizens to criticise Israel, but if people- any person- minimises the actions of IDF or settlers, this create a sense that their actions are actually being condoned.
There is a risk our politicians have done this- and this can increase sense for vulnerable people at risk of extremism of being isolated and increase their sense of grievance - which may increase risks of terrorism.

“Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks.”
Grievance against who? Ordinary Jewish people?

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks

What a load of crap

Look up push factors for radicalisation. Grievance is one of them.

But grievance against who?

Look up push factors for radicalisation. Grievance is one of them.

Look up push factors for radicalisation. Grievance is one of them.

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks

What a load of crap