Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

As in she meant a push factor of extremism is grievances that leaders are not doing enough or aren’t doing the right thing so extremists get it into their head “I shall be the ‘hero’ on this score if so-and-so can’t be” - it’s not right fair or just but Polka is right in that it IS a researched factor. That doesn’t make anything that extremists do justifiable but PREVENT use this as a way to try and stop extremists in their track before they hit the point of no return.

I’m going to defend @Polka83 here - she didn’t mean it like that. She was talking about grievances against leadership not every day Jews, it perhaps didn’t come across like that but further posts made it clear that’s what she meant. She doesn’t at all think Hamas were justified in any way their October 7 attack and IMO she’s made that clear.

Ah the beating was due to someone having a 'grievance".

MN posters spout the most ridiculous things. Should we laugh or cry at the reasons given for murderous terrorists. 🙄

According to you their views develop because they have 'grievances ' .... lots of people have grievances... some petty and some major, eg someone killed someone they loved, however, most don't go out and become terrorist murderers. That's takes a special kind of scum.

There you go @Polka83

Perhaps teach less hate to the predominantly extremist islamist terrorist organisations might help more. Don't see Jewish terrorists, Catholic terrorists , Buddhist terrorists, or other persuasions currently in the UK. There have been in the past of course. There is an extremist Islamic terrorist problem globally presently and everyone needs to speak out against it.

Yup, beat up and broke the jaw of a man for removing an anti-Israel sticker. And then in Sweden there was a shooting near the Israeli embassy, the third attempt at violently targeting the embassy this week !

I've seen footage today of an Israeli tourist being attacked and beaten in Belgium after he removed an anti-Israel sticker. Apparently that justified a vicious beating that continued when he was on the ground.

I did one of the 'training' exercises as lip-service to Prevent. It was a computer based multiple choice whose content was as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Did I ever suggest the extremists were reasonable in their views? Of course they are not - but shouldn’t stop us from understanding how their views develop. The Prevent program is meant to do this and reduce risk.

Frankly it's disgusting that children are not safe in our state schools. The trouble is as can be seen all over these threads anti semitism is rife. The labour party tried hard to stamp it out, the country needs to try harder wherever it is seen, heard etc

You've got to be joking. So you are saying grievance leads to extremism. It didn't after WW2, The Allies and Germany etc laid down arms and peace was sought. No terrorist organisations running around murdering people.

Stop making excuses for shitty disgusting terrorists.

I could also add grievance is no excuse for attacking people in the UK and US because they are Jewish. Stop enabling them and making excuses for scum.

Protesting is not antisemitic but it fuels antisemitism wether you like it or or - so that’s why I think it’s on protestors to be mindful and perhaps listen to the Jewish people your actions have a direct effect on

Like the security services, the police have to work on evidence and people who have hate in their hearts can hide it well in a trusting society, until they don't.
But, the police do seem to be struggling with the 'without fear or favour' part of their remit lately.

I think you have misunderstood me. I am precisely saying that Netenyahu does NOT represent Jewish people.

No, not at all. I'm saying that protesting is not antisemitism. If people are inciting racial hatred and protesting, they should be arrested just like they should be at any other time.

I think I had realised, after the corbyn interlude, that anti semitism in certain quarters was very much alive. I remain hopeful that it is a vocal minority. But it awareness needs to grow. It is appalling that parents are having to dig into their own pockets to deal with the security risk. Where the hell are the police on this?!

I’m really really sorry. I was not aware of the extent of the threat and I hope it is much more widely discussed and addressed.
To be honest (as a non Jew )- until October 7th I thought antisemitism was a thing of the past so the events of recent months have horrified me.

Of course I don’t have a vendetta 🙄I don’t know you. I didn’t agree with your point. 🤷‍♀️

You should no more claim there is a legitimate link between antisemitism and protesting, than claiming a legitimate link between the policies and actions of the Israeli government and antisemitism. Both are wrong.

Are you claiming, @Fallingforwards , that the marches are an antisemitism-free zone? Because there’s lots of evidence that that’s not true.

This. Its so often not the literal meaning of what they say, but the point at which they jump in to say it, in response to what point or in what context. It happens again and again on these threads, said with a faux innocence.

I totally disagree with you. Netenyahu represents the Israeli government not Jewish people. He is no more responsible for our reputation than the PM is responsible for Christian reputation.

Imagine that when the anti-terrorism marches were happening in the early 00’s and someone says “Your marches and support are directly linked to a rise in Islamophobia- could you maybe assess your narrative around your support and making sure that your words and actions don’t overstep a boundary for a group already experiencing hate” then shrugging saying “not my problem speak to the Taliban about this”

I assume this is also for me?

But you seem more concerned about blaming Netanyahu than about calling out anti semitism.
No I don't. You are picking out some of my posts and ignoring others. I have explained numerous times I was responding to a question which was asked yesterday and long been forgotten so now my posts are out of context to that thread of discussion.