Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

Yes it's homeopathic antisemitism, not like the old psychopathic stuff. Antisemitism lite.

Sometimes you can't really believe what people type.

"diluted antisemitism" 🙄

Unfortunately Starmers Labour diluted 'antisemitism' and turned it into a political weapon to destroy anyone who disagrees with him. He did not rid the party of it, he just rid the party of his political opponents, something most dictators have in common. Sadly islamophobia is still rife in parliament and nobody is doing anything about that.

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True, not necessarily wiser but not as energetic about acting on impulse. Hurts the knees.

I think that all bets are off now that disinformation is massively spread and whipped up by the internet.

I think anyone thinking 'I'm older, therefore wiser, and therefore not going to get sucked in' is probably naive to how vulnerable they are.

I think I would put that in the category of no head rather than no heart.
I hope the majority of people temper youthful passion with perspective as they get older, but perspectives vary.

Just my thoughts, not planning a dissertation on it anytime soon.

This, I think, is utterly untrue.

Look at the age of some of the people storming the Capitol because they thought Joe Biden stole the election from Trump.

All ages are vulnerable to grooming and disinformation.

I’m sure that age is a factor. When people are young they have less of a fixed identity and more of a need to belong.

Less than 50% called themselves Christian in the last census and we don't know what proprtion are actively practsing. I hope it means we are a secular country.

True. Young minds are easier to mislead and groom into terrorism, support for terrorists etc.

I just think it is easier to turn young, impressionable minds to hate when they're fed a diet of rhetoric from older people that they respect or otherwise look to for guidance.

UK politicians in my view should not be seeking or need to seek the approval of any religious or ethnic group. Britain is a christian country and allows freedom of religion.

I also don't know the mindset of a Jihadi. I wouldn't say it comes from 'care' though. Having read details of previous terrorist attacks by islamists, they are warped and filled with hatred. They are pathetic individuals. Filled with a strange purpose which they seem to believe will bring the endless rewards in an assumed afterlife. As if any God worth serving would want that in any afterlife.

May they rot. They have been taught that hatred, either during childhood or radicalised later.

I read your deleted message @Bicyclethief
I didn’t report it, but if you couldn’t see the problem with it- you are part of the problem of the mistrust between communities.

Now what question was it you wanted me to answer? What can politicians do? Given that you seem to value a ceasefire- perhaps the leader of the opposition party calling for one sooner might have helped?

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/03/31/keir-starmers-condemnation-of-terror-in-gaza-is-a-step-forward-but-just-the-beginning/

I see Mumsnet deleted my message. I'm not sure why but I apologise if I've caused any offence as it was tt my intention.
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@Polka
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I can only guess they took longer because they agree with Israel's goal of getting rid of Hamas. The problem is that to do that too many people are being killed. So whilst I believe that Israel had a right to defend itself and to get rid of Hamas I think the cost in human lives is too much too bare.

I guess that's the bigger picture that the politicians have been considering.

Let's hope that somehow we can get to a ceasefire. I look at those poor people especially the children and I wonder what sort of life awaits them. I imagine what I would do if this was my child
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Unfortunately more depressing examples were witnessed at the march today. Children being taught to hate, in the UK, by their parents. More than one example. It's made me feel so sad.

https://x.com/alexrubner/status/1791894741904159172

I personally think that when people can’t trust their official leaders and systems to protect them and solve their issues, and it feels like nobody cares, they start to look for different ways to solve their problems. This isn’t always a bad thing, but it leaves a space for potentially vulnerable and marginalised people to be preyed upon by those who say the right things and seem to have all the answers, but may have ulterior motives. The state then has less control, which is probably the opposite of what they wanted to achieve, which probably makes them nervous, which probably means they put in more measures and says things that further alienate people. Which is why I think that this has to be about more than control.

@Quantumbutterfly

The majority of Islamist attacks in the UK (I expect a few are thwarted without publicity) are by young, passionate, or otherwise mentally impressionable people. They care, they are easy to manipulate

If only it was that straight forward.

Age old story, they young sent by the old men.

@mids2019
I won't pretend to know the mindset of a jihadi.

Anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head.Winston S. Churchill

The majority of Islamist attacks in the UK (I expect a few are thwarted without publicity) are by young, passionate, or otherwise mentally impressionable people. They care, they are easy to manipulate.

This podcast was about building links - with Ed Kessler - a Jewish interfaith thinker. The work seems challenging but necessary.

https://alastaircampbell.org/2024/04/68-israel-gaza-how-the-conflict-divided-britain-and-the-us-with-ed-kessler/

Thank you YaMuvva. Labour and Tories have a long way to go in gaining trust of ordinary Muslim voters - so what impact will the mistrust of politicians have on those susceptible to more hold more extreme views?
I am sure that individual Mosques and Synagogues may be doing some cross community work.
Prevent does some work with “civil society groups” which builds interfaith links.

https://secondwave.org.uk/documents/Prevent%20Success%20Stories%20V3.0.pdf