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Finallyloggedin · 11/05/2024 19:16

It’s just beyond awful. The idf have dropped leaflets telling Palestinians to move. There is no where for them to go. This is beyond awful. More children will be blown apart, more families destroyed and all for what? Sick beyond what I ever imagined.

The idf have no plan apart from indiscriminate killing.

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1789316577482989829?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/kahlissee/status/1789184916670013731?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/drtruthe/status/1789311217259139492?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog - this image is very disturbing. I don’t want to upset anyone. The people who really need to see it are those still defending the actions of Israel. And I can show them thousands more images if they think this is an unfortunate isolated incident. This is what idf WANT to do. It is the purpose of the bombs.

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1789316577482989829?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:58

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What is your response to my question posted above?

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Kriscross · 13/07/2024 19:46

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:44

It’s terrifying, isn’t it? As well as all the other terrible consequences of this genocide, you are right - Israel, the US, UK, et al, have destroyed international law for all of us.

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BelleHathor · 13/07/2024 19:35

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:21

Many supporters of Israeli actions characterise the genocide in Gaza as a ‘war’ rather than a ‘genocide’. I don’t agree with this, I believe it’s a genocide.

But, for the people who believe it’s a war, then I guess that it’s Israel against Hamas. You will say that killing top Hamas commanders (if it even happened) can justify the death of countless civilians, as it’s so important to destroy Hamas.

So tell me, does this work both ways? I.e. if Hamas knew that Netanyahu was visiting a school assembly in Tel Aviv, or Gallant was being treated one of the main hospitals, would it be ‘fair game’ to bomb either target, knowing that they would kill hundreds and hundreds of innocent people, but they would take out two war criminals?

To me, this could never be justified, but by your logic I guess it is could?

I agree with you completely, and your logic is correct.

If Netanyahu gets the escalation he desires we will soon find out whether the defences are applicable to both sides.

Sadly, this is the new world that we live in now. In any future conflicts it will be a free for all, International law has been made a joke of, so I hope all the people making those excuses keep the same energy when a side they care about is on the receiving end, as anything goes now and flimsy excuses for the IDFs behaviour has allowed this.

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:21

Many supporters of Israeli actions characterise the genocide in Gaza as a ‘war’ rather than a ‘genocide’. I don’t agree with this, I believe it’s a genocide.

But, for the people who believe it’s a war, then I guess that it’s Israel against Hamas. You will say that killing top Hamas commanders (if it even happened) can justify the death of countless civilians, as it’s so important to destroy Hamas.

So tell me, does this work both ways? I.e. if Hamas knew that Netanyahu was visiting a school assembly in Tel Aviv, or Gallant was being treated one of the main hospitals, would it be ‘fair game’ to bomb either target, knowing that they would kill hundreds and hundreds of innocent people, but they would take out two war criminals?

To me, this could never be justified, but by your logic I guess it is could?

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BelleHathor · 13/07/2024 19:17

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:07

They often seem to commit their massacres over the weekend too, don’t they? When westerners may be distracted.

Remember when it was the Super Bowl and they killed lots of people?

Yup, this one seems to be to disrupt the negotiations, because if Hamas withdraws from the negotiations due to this massacre then failure can be blamed on them, convenient for Netanyahu. Poor Gazans are just pawns in this sick game.
In the other thread about Olmerts article he referred to peace forces in Gaza from neighbouring countries approved by Israel. Hamas won't agree to this as it amounts to occupation by the back door.

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:07

They often seem to commit their massacres over the weekend too, don’t they? When westerners may be distracted.

Remember when it was the Super Bowl and they killed lots of people?

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BelleHathor · 13/07/2024 18:48

"This is perhaps the sixteenth time Israel has claimed the target of its massacres is the leader Mohammad Deif. With every large-scale massacre resulting in dozens or hundreds of civilian casualties, Israel justifies it by claiming it targeted a high-ranking leader, only for us to later discover the falsehood of their claim.

The brutality of Israel knows no bounds."
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1812057842741805100
There is no proof that he has been killed, in fact sources on the ground state that he is very much alive. Think about it logically, why would a senior member of Hamas be walking around above ground, instead of in tunnels?
What likely was the IDF again targeted civilians, perhaps because the negotiations for a ceasefire are not going their way. When the extent of the carnage was revealed and decent humans were rightly outraged, the IDF came out with this story knowing that the useless Media would repeat it uncritically and their useful propagandists (aka Tommy Robinson) would spread it via social media. The IDF is trying to desensitise us to massacres but decent people will not fall for that nonsense.

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https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1812057842741805100

PeasfullPerson · 13/07/2024 18:41

It’s got to the point where I’ve stopped listening to Israel’s excuses for killing civilians, I am done listening to their justifications. I don’t care who was there, I don’t care that Hamas make their job difficult, just stop it, stop killing these poor people. All I see is dead and injured children, and dirt covered people crying in pain, and I don’t see anything that makes this OK.

Kriscross · 13/07/2024 18:33

Mohammad Deif was killed today.

anotherlevel · 13/07/2024 18:32

Oh my heart 💔💔💔💔💔

www.instagram.com/reel/C9REx5bqL_2/?igsh=OG50NHRteGlreWJ2

And don't anyone tell me this is Hamas propaganda

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 18:25

https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1812168316649103462?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“After the israelis bombed al-Mawasi, people were buried alive inside their tents under the sand, says @Wizard__Bisan — 100s more are STILL buried.”

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https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1812168316649103462?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 18:18

“Even if Israel was targeting Mohammed Deif (they've claimed this before), nothing justifies this intentional incineration of dozens of civilians, the burning alive of children, the deliberate targeting of rescue workers. This is the work of sociopaths armed by sociopaths.”
Jeremy Scahill, co-founder of The Intercept, via X.

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 17:41

“This is annihilation. There are no words left to capture the horror. Gaza is being obliterated—people are being murdered, starved, and displaced for months on end. Repeating these words feels like a hollow echo and a useless endeavor. But we have no choice but to persevere and keep pushing for an end to the genocide, for accountability, for justice, for healing, for rebuilding, and for liberation. We on the outside have no excuse. As long as Gaza’s defenders, doctors, nurses, first responders, and volunteers keep working and pushing, we have no choice but to keep working and pushing. Gaza needs your activism, your courage, your dedication, your boycott, your presence on the streets, and your donations now more than ever. This is a battle for hope, and hope is the last thing we’ve got. Let’s not let them take it away from us.”

Jehad Abusalim, via X, https://x.com/jehadabusalim/status/1812133759606558956?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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https://x.com/jehadabusalim/status/1812133759606558956?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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AhNowTed · 13/07/2024 17:29

AhNowTed · 13/07/2024 16:46

@UnashamedSlattern

"If there is a choice between believing a terrorist entity capable of the atrocities of Oct 7th and the atrocities it’s perpetrated on in its own people, and the army of a democratic country, it’s a no brainer really. I just need to engage my brain. More people should try it."

You do realise that other entities are on the ground in Gaza right?

The press from numerous countries, aid agencies like Save the Children, Medicine San Frontiers, UNICEF, MAP, DEC, the Red Cross, doctors from around the world working in Gaza hospitals...

It's not a binary choice between Hamas and the IDF.

Forgot to mention Action Aid UK:

We are utterly horrified and appalled by the devastating attack on the al-Mawasi area near Khan Younis and extremely concerned about the safety of our staff and partners in the area, some of whom we have not yet been able to make contact with.

This is an area that had been designated a safe humanitarian zone, yet at least 71 people have been brutally slaughtered there today and hundreds injured, once again making it perfectly clear that absolutely nowhere is safe in Gaza.

As yet more Palestinians mourn their loved ones or attempt to seek medical help from a health system that is overwhelmed and on its knees, we plea – yet again – for this nightmare to come to an end and for a permanent ceasefire, now.

Full statement

ActionAid utterly appalled by devastating al-Mawasi attack in Gaza

www.actionaid.org.uk/latest-news/actionaid-utterly-appalled-devastating-al-mawasi-attack-gaza

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 17:14

I’m not going to engage with anyone who is in denial about this genocide, in the same way as I would take a very wide berth of anyone denying any genocide in history.

Below are some videos which document today’s massacre. All the lovely people on here who know what’s going on, you really don’t need to watch them, I know we are all putting ourselves through enough already.

These videos are intended for those of you still in support of the genocide

“A survivor of today’s Mawasi massacre:
An arm fell beside me & a leg hit me. My pants were all stained with blood… My friend was next to me. I couldn't find him, but the leg that hit me had the same pants he was wearing. I escaped death. I was inside death itself… My heart is still screaming... Burnt bodies in the street. No one survived, a large number. The smell of death is everywhere. A child without hands, whose limbs were cut off, screams while no one is beside him. Ambulances, cars, tuk-tuks, & every means of transportation helped the wounded.”

Mohammed al-Wahidi, July 13 2024

https://x.com/afcq1954/status/1811849659280720303?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog Imagine shooting at a father with their small child.

https://x.com/afcq1954/status/1811849659280720303?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog Israel targets Palestinians

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1812148382409920966?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog “In a devastating series of attacks, more than 100 people have been killed and 270 injured in Al-Mawasi, Khan Yunis. F16 aircraft unleashed violent raids, dropping bombs weighing over 500 kilograms on tents housing displaced individuals in what was designated as a safe zone.

When ambulance and civil defense teams arrived to assist, they were met with machine gun fire and missiles from Quadcopter drones, further compounding the tragedy.

The massacre has left bodies scattered, with many burned, buried, or in pieces. Civilians are aiding the overwhelmed medical and civil defense teams in transporting the injured, but efforts are hampered by continued targeting.

The Nasser Hospital, unable to cope with the influx of casualties, has declared it is no longer operational. The situation in Khan Yunis underscores the dire humanitarian crisis and the urgent need for international intervention.”

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https://x.com/afcq1954/status/1811849659280720303?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 17:03

UnashamedSlattern · 13/07/2024 15:21

There is no way the location in the video of the alleged ‘massacre’ site is the same location as the hit on Deif’s compound!

Do I believe there is a lot of lying, manipulation, misinformation and propaganda going on. Yes.

Do I believe that Hamas kills and bombs its own people to blame it on Israel. Yes.

Do I believe Hamas deliberately locates legitimate targets in and among civilians. Yes.

Do I believe Hamas and Palestinian doctors and journalists like those who held civilian Israeli hostage in their own homes. No.

Shockingly there is proof of doctoring and faking videos and pictures the like of which has never seen before in any other conflict, freely available all over the internet like the one on Twitter just now of apparently a 15 year old Palestinian girl surrounded by Israeli settlers who had just shot and killed her when she had actually just stabbed an Israeli police officer in the neck, wasn’t shot and had been released from prison in 2023. Pictures was from 2015.

Where do you think term ‘Pallywood’ comes from?

If there is a choice between believing a terrorist entity capable of the atrocities of Oct 7th and the atrocities it’s perpetrated on in its own people, and the army of a democratic country, it’s a no brainer really. I just need to engage my brain. More people should try it.

Indeed it’s a no brainer. I believe none. They’ve both lied to suit their narrative.

AhNowTed · 13/07/2024 16:46

@UnashamedSlattern

"If there is a choice between believing a terrorist entity capable of the atrocities of Oct 7th and the atrocities it’s perpetrated on in its own people, and the army of a democratic country, it’s a no brainer really. I just need to engage my brain. More people should try it."

You do realise that other entities are on the ground in Gaza right?

The press from numerous countries, aid agencies like Save the Children, Medicine San Frontiers, UNICEF, MAP, DEC, the Red Cross, doctors from around the world working in Gaza hospitals...

It's not a binary choice between Hamas and the IDF.

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 16:36

https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1812094960549650495?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Alon Mizhari:

“Gaza journalists set an example that will inspire children and justice-seekers for generations and generations to come. They are eternal heroes of their profession. This kind of courage, clarity, and dedication in the face of so much danger and destruction is simply uncanny.”

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https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1812094960549650495?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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AhNowTed · 13/07/2024 16:09

Funnily enough I haven't seen anyone claim "Pallywood" for months.

Or "dolls".

Or Israelis dressed up in headdress mocking Palestinian mothers.

They were everywhere at first.

All gone now.

Wonder why.

anotherlevel · 13/07/2024 15:39

@UnashamedSlattern

Pallywood? So what would you call this then?

"Here is a video of a woman who claims to be in Gaza, a nurse at the Shifa Hospital while it's being bombed, speaking a mix of English, "Arabish" and with al distinctly Hebrew accent.

Every staff member of the hospital who was asked have said they never seen her before, and that they had no idea who she was, they all identified her language, mode of speaking, vocabulary, and accent as being non-Gazan, non-Palestinian."

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igsh=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Auvergne63 · 13/07/2024 15:38

ConnieCounter · 13/07/2024 15:33

I don't have the energy to be honest. I'd be here all day. Still jarring to read such nonsense though.

It is.

LiterallyOnFire · 13/07/2024 15:37

The level of disinformation and fakery is off the scale. I've stopped clicking the links on these threads. There's no point in debating specific instances. (I can't for the life of me work out how to hide the board on the app and have it stay hidden so these mega threads I posted on weeks ago keep springing back onto my page.)

OTOH, everyone knows war is bad.

Energy would probably be better spent petitioning for peace or discussing realistic roadmaps to same.

anotherlevel · 13/07/2024 15:34

We'll be accused of being in an echo chamber soon.

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