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Finallyloggedin · 11/05/2024 19:16

It’s just beyond awful. The idf have dropped leaflets telling Palestinians to move. There is no where for them to go. This is beyond awful. More children will be blown apart, more families destroyed and all for what? Sick beyond what I ever imagined.

The idf have no plan apart from indiscriminate killing.

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1789316577482989829?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/kahlissee/status/1789184916670013731?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/drtruthe/status/1789311217259139492?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog - this image is very disturbing. I don’t want to upset anyone. The people who really need to see it are those still defending the actions of Israel. And I can show them thousands more images if they think this is an unfortunate isolated incident. This is what idf WANT to do. It is the purpose of the bombs.

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1789316577482989829?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 22:47

@ScrollingLeaves thank you, it’s really interesting to see this article dating back ten years. So this has been said multiple times. The carnage that the Israeli government and idf are willing to unleash just seems limitless.

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LiterallyOnFire · 13/07/2024 22:37

anotherlevel · 13/07/2024 22:33

Well someone's been busy reporting posts

Yeah I just popped back in to try to catch up and engage a bit, but the last page or so has been skeletonised.

LiterallyOnFire · 13/07/2024 22:36

You do know that nobody supports mass bloodshed, don't you, OP?

If you dropped the rhetoric about "genocide" and so on, you might find people engage better.

People who want to commit genocide get on and do it. They don't wait for a huge terrorist scale atrocity against them and then fish the "genocide" plan out of the back of the filing cabinet the next day.

The current Israeli leadership is hawkish. That's what's influencing the details of the military response to Oct 7th. Not a quickly conceived plan for genocide.

Even if you believe the IDF is actually, seriously genocidal, I'm sure you can see the issue with describing the whole of Israel as "genocidal". Why do you think Israel was formed?

Lots of people have issues with Netenyahu. There's a lot of common ground to find there.

Stomping all over the sensitivities will achieve nothing.

anotherlevel · 13/07/2024 22:33

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ScrollingLeaves · 13/07/2024 22:21

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 18:18

“Even if Israel was targeting Mohammed Deif (they've claimed this before), nothing justifies this intentional incineration of dozens of civilians, the burning alive of children, the deliberate targeting of rescue workers. This is the work of sociopaths armed by sociopaths.”
Jeremy Scahill, co-founder of The Intercept, via X.

re Deif
They’ve claimed this before

This is Arutz Sheva news (Israeli news) 2014
His 3 year old daughter, wife and seven month old son were killed ( amongst others) but as it turns out, not Deif.

Following the targeted assassination attempt Tuesday night against Mohammed Deif, head of the Hamas "military wing" Al-Qassam Brigades, the body of another family member of the arch-terrorist has reportedly been found.

Hamas emergency services spokesperson Ashraf al-Qudra told AFP that on Thursday, the body of Deif's three-year-old daughter Sara was pulled from the wreckage of the six-story building Deif was thought to be in.

In the <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140822005213/www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184229" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tuesday night airstrike, Deif's second wife Widad (27) and seven-month-old son Ali were killed. The two were buried on Wednesday in the Jabaliya "refugee camp" as thousands shouted for revenge.

There has been confusion as to whether the strike actually managed to take out the arch-terrorist or not, in the sixth Israeli assassination attempt against Deif. In two previous airstrikes he suffered serious injuries, likely harming his agility and ability to escape.

Israeli intelligence officials on Wednesday told Fox News that the most recent attempt finally found its mark and ended Deif's reign of terror on Israeli citizens.

However, Hamas has been adamantly denying that Deif was killed, with spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri claiming he is still <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140822005213/www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184241" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">"alive and well."

Hamas has also <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140822005213/www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184266" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">denied a supposed "death certificate" for Deif which has been widely circulating as a "forgery," even while refusing to give specifics about his condition after the attack, leading to speculation he may in fact have been killed or severely injured.

Reuters reported this news in 2014 and also mentioned that Deif had
already been targeted by air strikes four times since the 1990s.

Israel Confirms Air Strike Targeted Hamas Military Chief

https://web.archive.org/web/20140822005213/http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184229

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 22:08

@Kriscross apologies, you are right that it wasn’t directed specifically at you, it was for anyone supporting Israel’s actions at this stage really.

I asked the following:

‘Many supporters of Israeli actions characterise the genocide in Gaza as a ‘war’ rather than a ‘genocide’. I don’t agree with this, I believe it’s a genocide.

But, for the people who believe it’s a war, then I guess that it’s Israel against Hamas. You will say that killing top Hamas commanders (if it even happened) can justify the death of countless civilians, as it’s so important to destroy Hamas.

So tell me, does this work both ways? I.e. if Hamas knew that Netanyahu was visiting a school assembly in Tel Aviv, or Gallant was being treated one of the main hospitals, would it be ‘fair game’ to bomb either target, knowing that they would kill hundreds and hundreds of innocent people, but they would take out two war criminals?

To me, this could never be justified, but by your logic I guess it is could?’

And by ‘you’ and ‘your’ I am not being personal specifically to you, I mean the logic that says the bombing that took place today, for example, is justified because it may have killed a senior Hamas commander.

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Kriscross · 13/07/2024 21:56

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You NEVER asked me a direct question. Stop goading for a reply when you never tagged me on any question hence my reply what question and my reply ?

I have had several posts reported that were not hate, or slurs etc just different opinions.

I still could not see where upthread you supposedly asked me a direct question. I'm not tagged anywhere.

I cannot be bothered with this silly game of repeatedly saying answer my question when you haven't tag me in a question to answer. Is this primary school games 🙄

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Kriscross · 13/07/2024 21:50

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 21:45

Op asked you before your comments were deleted.

they also didn’t reply to the question that OP was asking at 1921.

I've no idea why my comments were deleted. These threads are all the same.

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 21:45

Kriscross · 13/07/2024 21:42

I answered. No hate, no slur but my reply was reported. No idea why. Yet you keep asking for me to reply 🙄 so I can get reported again. What's the point, someone doesn't want me to reply.

Op asked you before your comments were deleted.

they also didn’t reply to the question that OP was asking at 1921.

Kriscross · 13/07/2024 21:42

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 20:37

It was the one I posted at 19.21, it’s at the top of this page.

I answered. No hate, no slur but my reply was reported. No idea why. Yet you keep asking for me to reply 🙄 so I can get reported again. What's the point, someone doesn't want me to reply.

anotherlevel · 13/07/2024 20:46

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 20:42

https://x.com/tparsi/status/1812177420386193764?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“This Palestinian girl's family in Gaza was killed by a 2,000lb American bomb.

Biden had provided these bombs to Israel for it to drop them on refugees in tents, all the while Biden publicly claims he is trying to stop the war.”

x.com

https://x.com/tparsi/status/1812177420386193764?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 20:37

Kriscross · 13/07/2024 20:18

Was that the question you wanted answering?

It was the one I posted at 19.21, it’s at the top of this page.

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BelleHathor · 13/07/2024 20:21

Sometimes I get the feeling that no matter how carefully things are worded, there are posters that will misconstrue everything...

Kriscross · 13/07/2024 20:18

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 20:02

I haven’t seen anyone on this thread say anything of the sort.

Was that the question you wanted answering?

BelleHathor · 13/07/2024 20:12

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:44

It’s terrifying, isn’t it? As well as all the other terrible consequences of this genocide, you are right - Israel, the US, UK, et al, have destroyed international law for all of us.

It's sad and scary, especially the way they threw away all the supposed values that our society was built on. Also it usually isn't the people who make these decisions who are harmed, it's civilians and soldiers usually following orders from higher ups.

ConnieCounter · 13/07/2024 20:11

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Who are you talking about?

Silence1 · 13/07/2024 20:11

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Correct, that's exactly what the crazy Ben Gvir and his cronies in the Israeli Govt would like.
Big it up!!
Idiots Ben Gvir suggests Israel should invade Lebanon to destroy Hezbollah in its entirety | The Times of Israel

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 20:04

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Can you be less cryptic ? Nobody has mentioned hezbollah in the last 5 pages (I’ve searched).the first comment that appears is yours.

I will repeat myself. I believe many posters , myself included want a ceasefire. We want this to end so nobody else is killed.

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 20:02

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I haven’t seen anyone on this thread say anything of the sort.

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Kriscross · 13/07/2024 20:01

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 19:58

What is your response to my question posted above?

? what ?

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EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 19:59

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Many posters want a ceasefire. Sadly, not everyone does