Why aren’t the people protesting against Israel calling for Hamas to disarm and disband?

Or a very human way of thinking?

I don’t think so, ime it’s more human to be tired of the bloodshed and want it to end as opposed to seek revenge.

I’ve been on marches to demonstrate my disdain that initially the EU, the UK and the US didn’t call for restraint when Israel first went into Gaza. They should have had a much stronger response when aid was cut off for starters. That is a war crime.

International law protects us all and international governments should always call out countries that commit crimes against humanity whether they are friends or foe. The result has been horrifying now.

The western world immediately condemned Hamas attacks. If we were living in some alternate reality where these governments had said “Hamas are only defending themselves. It’s unfortunate that israeli civilians were killed , maimed raped and kidnaped but what else could they do “ I would also be marching against that!

A poll came out in recent times in Northern Ireland that 70% of republicans believe there was no alternative to violence against British rule. There is peace today because of the peace process of course.

People change - things change. A step to peace is to show Palestinian people that there is a way to achieve a good, safe secure life, in their own state through political means. Not just saying well if they want peace they shouldn’t support Hamas. Palestinian’s aren’t living the high life in the West Bank either.

This... at the heart of things

This! And I’m amazed it needs to be explained!

They’d be wrong because I clearly stated all religions and gave examples of Christianity being problematic.

Do you enjoy your right to vote? Do you know how you got it? That's right, by people yelling and screaming on the streets, by writing in newspapers ( no social media at the times) and generally making a nuisance of themselves.
I am pretty sure that many, at the times, would have outraged by this type of behaviour, the way you are outraged at the "pro Palestinian contingent".
But we are here, and I am quietly confident that there are many more of us than there are of the other sort.
Oh dear.
British attitudes to the Israel-Gaza conflict: May 2024 update | YouGov

Happy to listen. What's the link?
Edited to add - no other right wing bigots please, any actual journalists?

Of course. But I doubt your world view would change.

I’m sure someone will be along soon to accuse you of Islamophobia…

You seem to not understand that I won't support the channel of a bigot to watch his points. Is the bigot the only person giving him a platform? Do you have another link?

Or a very human way of thinking?

It’s not Jordan Peterson doing the talking, it’s Mohab Yousef.

Any excuse, though.

Mohab Yousef ?

A bigot? Yes I have judged him. Surely if it's such a good point you have a better messenger, no?

yes it's hard to think objectively about the message when you've already judged the messenger.

You couldn't pay me to watch a bigot like Jordan Peterson, thank you. Very telling.

Can you truly say that if you were living in Gaza you would not support Hamas in that mission right now? If you had lost 100s of friends and family and both your legs to an Israeli bomb? If you were Hind Rajab’s mother? If you were starving?

that’s a dangerous way of thinking surely? Were the IRA justified? What about the Manchester Arena bombing? He was motivated by “our” War on Terror? Or the rise in right wing terrorism, is that ok?

I’m going to have a rant…….

I tend to avoid commenting on these threads but I will say that whilst I don’t agree with the constant bombing of Gaza and wish it would stop for the sake of the civilians, Hamas don’t give a flying fuck about the civilians and obviously hide in amongst them.

I feel sorry for the civilians on both sides. I couldn’t care less about any religion and I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, imo, religion has a lot to answer for, because many of the worlds problems and wars stem from it. The extremists of Hamas using its own peope as shields is everything to do with religion (albeit the extreme end) they don’t care because they’re brainwashed to believe they’ll be made Martyrs and go to heaven to 1000 virgins. It blows my mind that people would be willing to commit such atrocious under the false premise of an after life…..

The average person wants peace and follow their religion as good humans. That’s fine, but it’s the extreme end of it that cause these problems and it’s the poor civilians on both sides that simply want to live in peace. The poor women and children always suffer the most as they don’t get a say.

I’m not just talking about the Middle East, even the US now where there are crazy laws in some states to say a women can not have an abortion under any circumstances (even if I’m means they will die if they precede with the pregnancy) again, all to do with the extreme ends of religion.

It’s so fucking maddening to listen to the suffering of all these poor people on the back of it. I hope in the next few generations it will die out and humans will live in a more harmonious place. (That’s if we haven’t ruined the planet, because mankind has a knack of ruining stuff)

It could be that the saying ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ applies somewhat here, no?
Israel are currently destroying Gaza. There is no denying the images we have seen coming out of Gaza. They are living that horror.
Hamas are actively fighting Israel.

Can you truly say that if you were living in Gaza you would not support Hamas in that mission right now? If you had lost 100s of friends and family and both your legs to an Israeli bomb? If you were Hind Rajab’s mother? If you were starving?

It is very easy to sit here from my armchair in my home which has not been bombed, with my family not facing death by starvation with full use of both my legs to condemn Hamas. It is also easy for me to condemn Israel for their actions. None of my family were brutally murdered at Nova festival or are currently being held as hostages in an underground tunnel facing the threat of death, starvation, sexual violence. Again, in that scenario, hand on heart, I don’t know what I would think. I would like to think even if I was in that situation I would hold on to my values but I am only human.

Because they know that won't stop the war. Israel wants to colonise, Gaza, their actions demonstrate this.

It's not about being "pure"?! What an odd thing to suggest. It's about whether you care about Palestinian people or not and judging by your actions (which is nothing except whataboutery and distraction from the issue) you don't. So since you don't care why don't you at least just sit at home and ignore it? But no even worse you actually come on here and engage with people who do care and critique them and their activism. Not even being ignorant because you actually do wanna come on and see and hear about what's happening to people and then deflect from it. Why don't you spend the little free time you have doing something about things you do care about instead of spending so much time posting about an issue you don't? What a sad way to spend your time.

Well surely a call for a ceasefire goes towards that? A ceasefire is not just one side ceasing to fire, it's nobody firing.

@CwmYoy It's proven that money given in aid was stolen by Hamas - how do we know which charities are safe to donate to?

That's a good point.