Why aren’t the people protesting against Israel calling for Hamas to disarm and disband?

@Dulra
Agreed the suffering on both sides has been tragic.

Never said they weren't but that doesn't mean innocent Palestinians are not victims now. They have been killed in their thousands, displaced and on the brink of famine. Their suffering is unimaginable, a living nightmare so I don't understand how people can be so dismissive of this. It is cruel and inhumane

Thank you but I've just been reading his twitter and this man is outright calling for the assault on Rafah and says Palestinians aren't owed a defence. I honestly find his quotation marks around Palestinian victims disgusting considering how many children have been murdered. I assumed in good faith you were sending me an intelligent argument about why posters should be focusing on calling for Hamas to disband as a way to help the Palestinian people. This guy doesn't care about them at all?

@Dulra
Israel was the victim on 7th October

I've been wondering this. What the men in Hamas did was sickening.

Exactly. It's more of a parallel to the situation in Palestine than people even realise. We made "peace" but there was no learning or acknowledgement.

Seriously victim blaming? Pretty callous attitude and a blatant attempt to deflect and minimise the war crimes and murders being carried out by the IDF.

711 IDF soldiers killed vs close to 40,000 civilians. Yes Hamas are firing pretty ineffective rockets into Israel but there has been little evidence of resistance on the ground

Every death or injury is assumed to be the fault of the Israelis rather than the fault of the Palestinians.
So Palestinians are killing each other. What are you trying to say?

’The images coming out of Gaza’ etc. Again, why is it assumed that Israel is solely responsible for all this suffering? We know Hamas use human shields and generally make no effort to protect their population.

”fighting to gain back their homeland and resist occupation”

Are you saying Hamas actions on Oct 7th were not terrorist acts but ‘resisting occupation’? Do you support Hamas?

I agree OP that the way a lot of people talk about the war it is as if it only one side is involved. Every death or injury is assumed to be the fault of the Israelis rather than the fault of the Palestinians. As if people imagine that the Israeli army is meeting no resistance and can just decide to stop the war unilaterally.

Many people think it was just a religious war, that’s why I think the “violence was necessary” comment is far too vague because a lot of people won’t necessarily understand what that violence actually looked like.

And it's important to remember that the troubles started after the civil rights marches because Catholics were not given the save rights when it came to housing and employment as protestants. Lack of rights fed into the nationalist movement and strengthened the IRA. Whose to know if they had equal rights and opportunities back in the 60s would any of it had happened? Lesson there for Israel oppressing people doesn't work

@Lampy123678 its because many people in England have no understanding of the Troubles. It is framed very much from the perspective of the IRA terrorising the mainland. The loyalist terrorism wasn’t really covered here likely to the collusion with the British Government.

The article says 70% of nationalist voters within NI which you isn’t the same as saying 70% of republican’s still think that the violence was necessary

The poll was about the statement “violent resistance to British rule during the Troubles” which isn’t that same as still think that the violence was necessary Its fairly ambiguous tbf What counts as violent resistance to British rule? Resisting arrest or internment? Illegal marches & protests? As the article you linked says Some are taking this as a justification of republican (i.e. IRA) violence and terrorism during the 'Troubles' but I don’t think you can necessarily infer that that is what people are agreeing with. When civilian deaths increased the IRA lost a lot of support particularly in the republic.

Slightly off topic, but it's so interesting to me how every comparison using Northern Ireland mentions the IRA and their violence and that the UK government had to negotiate with them. No one mentions the violence and the bloodshed from the side supporting the British state. No one mentions the UVF. No one mentions the black and tans despite the shared history of them in Ireland and Palestine. I'm not picking at your for this btw sorry just using your post as a springboard. But I think its interesting that even with hindsight, we talk as though violence existed in a vacuum so it's no wonder some posters look at current events and can't see the violent crimes of the occupiers but they can see it from the occupied.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/seven-in-10-nationalists-agree-with-michelle-oneill-that-there-was-no-alternative-to-iras-campaign-of-violence-new-poll-reveals/41924287.html

‘‘Twas a very big fuss at the time. It shows how fragile peace is.

70% of republican’s still think that the violence was necessary

As a Republican Im surprised at that too, could you link to that data? I’m interested to see the context.

I completely agree with it. They had enough of the violence. Yet when questioned now they still believe it was necessary.

I wasn’t sure what your argument was.

Sorry I am confused by your post @mollyfolk. Are you disagreeing re my point that the peace process didn’t come about because the population had had enough of the violence and innocent deaths?

That is also very human, I agree. But I don’t blame people caught up on both sides of this conflict for people they perceive as fighting ‘for them’.

What are you saying? That the Palestinians don’t want to leave peaceful lives. I think most of humankind want to live safe and secure lives.

My point is that 70% of republican’s still think that the violence was necessary. I was surprised by that myself. But it shows me that it was the peace process itself which showed republicans that they could continue to achieve their goal of a united Ireland through political, peaceful means.

Exactly. Sums it up. We expect a certain standard from a government we call our allies and are helping fund or support in some way . It wouldn’t make sense to march against Al-Quaeda etc unless our government start funding arming and legitimising them of course. And on the subject of Hamas and hostages can we talk about the heaps of young adults imprisoned in Israeli jails for doing things as minor as throwing stones?

This whole business didn’t just start on October 7th and it’s intellectually dishonest to ignore the entire context of what’s happening there and why.

A poll came out in recent times in Northern Ireland that 70% of republicans believe there was no alternative to violence against British rule. There is peace today because of the peace process of course.

the peace process worked because most people wanted the violence to stop. A lot of initial support was lost when terrorists switched to softer targets.