Why aren’t the people protesting against Israel calling for Hamas to disarm and disband?

Primarily because It displays a prejudice against people solely due to the fact that they are Palestinian. That’s the definition of racism. Try out the sentence yourself with another minority group in place of Palestinian.

It displays characteristics to Palestinians as a group which suggests that they are primitive, not interested in development & are intrinsically bad people.

This type of language dehumanises Palestinians and suggests they have a collective responsibility for Hamas’s attacks which justifies the violence and suffering they are under now.

How ??

“don’t come because of [Palestinian] despair and the frustration over the inability to build. They come because of [Palestinian] despair and the frustration over inability to destroy.”

this is an inherently racist thing to say.

This is relevant and of interest:
https://twitter.com/afalkhatib/status/1790197749784215755

This is Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, a Palestinian American who is critical of Hamas (and Israel's actions). This tweet is the perspective of his family members who have fled Rafah.

And please don't come back accusing me of being a Hamas supporter or apologist or of antisemitism.

Not at all, you made an interesting point. I agree that there is utter collective trauma in that entire region and it will have all sorts of impacts on people's psychology and thought processes.

Thanks for the link which I have read.

Somebody posted on one of these threads a while ago about brain chemistry. No this person may have been talking nonsense or known what they were on about, I don't know. Anyway, they said that people living under extreme stress (and that would be both the Israeli and Palestinians) the stress impacts the functioning of the brain, they literally can't think straight. If true, I actually think this might explain so of the goings on in this region over the years.

Also, it's a very common feeling even outside of this conflict " if someone killed my child, I would kill them, I don't care what happens to me". Add this feeling on to the (possible) brain chemistry thing and yes, I can also see why support for Hamas in Gaza might actually be growing rather than reducing.

And please don't come back accusing me of being a Hamas supporter or apologist or of antisemitism.
Terrible, terrible, times.

Honestly, if I was a Palestinian living in Gaza atm, and I was one of the hundreds and thousands of people who has lost a close family member, my home smashed to smithereens, my school reduced to rubble, my access to medicine and health care turned into a torture centre for innocent civilians- I would vote Hamas and do whatever I could to oppose and fight the Israeli regime. I think everyone on this thread would do the same.

Really, you'd vote for ongoing conflict? Because Hamas isn't going to win militarily against Israel and the longer they remain in power and continue fighting against Israel, the longer civilians in Gaza will suffer.

If it were me I'd vote for the party that didn't bring hell to my door by committing a brutal mass atrocity against my powerful neighbour, with the added bonus of then not living under a corrupt Islamic regime.

@Tripeandonions

Here's evidence for you. And before you say well it's a biased news source etc; all of these quotes can be looked up.

www.newarab.com/analysis/erase-gaza-how-genocidal-rhetoric-normalised-israel?amp

Yes I don't understand why the international community hasn't got more involved eg after October 7th. And alot of things I have read have said Palestinians have missed opportunities and turned down chances for a two state solution. I do think the idea of compromise is a western way of looking at things maybe?

A good question.

In the 1990s, the first suicide bombings were carried out by members of the militant Palestinian group Hamas. According to data from the University of Chicago, 114 such attacks, in which the assailant blows himself (or herself) up, have been carried out in Israel since 1994, resulting in the deaths of 721 people (including the perpetrators).

In 2007 Hamas controlled Gaza after open fighting with it's rival political group Fatah.
Smai Abu Zubri, spokesperson at the time for Iran-backed Hamas claimed it was a “second liberation of Gaza from the collaborators”. Hamas made clear it's avowed goals which were the destruction of the State of Israel.

The Israeli Prime Minister at the time, Ehud Olmert suggested that the West should give “serious consideration” to posting a peacekeeping force in Southern Gaza, to stop weapons reaching Hamas via Egypt.

This was not implemented.

In Dec 2008 Israel commenced Operation Cast Lead – a 3 week military campaign aimed at stopping rocket fire from Gaza.

In Nov 14 2012 Israel launches Operation Pillar of Defence, an eight-day military campaign sparked by an intense round of rocket fire from Gaza aimed at Israeli civilians.

In July 17 2014 Israel launched Operation Protective Edge, a military campaign that included a ground invasion aimed at destroying Hamas tunnels used to smuggle weapons into the coastal enclave and launch attacks against Israel.

So, the dismantling of all Israeli settlements in Gaza and the relocation of thousands of Israeli settlers did not bring an end to violence emerging from the coastal territory and aimed at Israeli population centres. (The Israelis even exhumed their dead and removed Jewish cemeteries)

The Israelis further argue that violence against Israeli civilians is not intended to bring about peaceful coexistence, citing as evidence Hamas’ longstanding refusal to recognize Israel’s legitimacy and right to exist.

In 2016, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu summed it up saying that terrorist attacks “don’t come because of [Palestinian] despair and the frustration over the inability to build. They come because of [Palestinian] despair and the frustration over inability to destroy.”

And to release the hostages too.

Generally speaking, occupation, mass killing of civilians, potentially committing war crimes, etc, all should be frowned upon, whoever is doing it.

One is a legitimate country the other is not. It is easier to investigate a legitimate country which is democratic. "The world" has not treated other countries this way when they have been attached by a non democratic group.

@Northernnature

The majority of countries consider Gaza to have been under occupation prior to and following the removal of Israeli settlements and forces from within the territory. After 2005, blockades began and then intensified following Hamas's takeover of the Gaza Strip. Pre-2023/24, Israel controlled all but one land crossing, airspace, maritime space, the population registry (a database of who lived there) and a no-go zone within the borders of the Gaza Strip. People entering the no-go zone, even children, would be targeted by snipers.

Goods in and out were controlled. Border checkpoints were locations of verbal and physical abuse and humiliation. Healthcare within the Gaza Strip was challenging as many medications and treatments were difficult to access - many people died waiting for permission from Israeli authorities to cross the border or for their medication to reach them.

Israeli weapons were still fired at Gaza, and there was a ground invasion in 2009. During largely peaceful protests in Gaza in 2018/19, over 200 people were killed by Israeli forces and hundreds were left disabled (snipers targeted limbs to leave people with amputations and lasting disabilities).

A UN investigation in 2019 concluded that, out of almost 500 cases of Palestinians in Gaza being killed by Israeli forces, two may have been justifiable. There were grounds to believe Israeli forces had also targeted healthcare professionals and journalists, as well as children. The current concerns about targeting of aid workers, healthcare professionals and media are consistent with this past behaviour.

My understanding is israel withdrew from gaza in around 2005, so how were they occupied? Why didn't the people in gaza use that opportunity to build a country (that is my understanding, may have it wrong, as I said I'm trying to learn more).

You can't understand why an oppressed people experiencing blockade and occupation might not universally be fans of the country primarily implementing that blockade and occupation?

Hamas 🤢

Well of course they can go on supporting Hamas but that is leading to Gaza being destroyed (by Hamas themselves who have used the billions in aid they received to build weapons and destroy things and embed theselves in hospitals and schools). I can't say I understand that but Palestinians are taught to hate Jewish people from a young age which I haven't been.

Are you going to get that deleted as well? 😂

It isn’t necessary to be a scholar of anything to detect bias.

But I CAN see why people would vote for those who feel they are defending the things they care about. Is that not why anyone votes for any political party?

To me voting Hamas is like voting for the Nazis they are just as evil. That is like saying you can see why the Germans voted for the Nazis because we were smashing their infrastructure- that's what happens in a war.

They weren’t accepted as legitimate democracy in 2007 either, or 2008, or 209. Their elections were just pissed on because the West didn’t get the outcome they wanted.

As for them taking control of schools, hospitals, infrastructure etc- it’s what the ruling political party do in every country. So why is it wrong when Hamas do it?

Honestly, if I was a Palestinian living in Gaza atm, and I was one of the hundreds and thousands of people who has lost a close family member, my home smashed to smithereens, my school reduced to rubble, my access to medicine and health care turned into a torture centre for innocent civilians- I would vote Hamas and do whatever I could to oppose and fight the Israeli regime. I think everyone on this thread would do the same.